5th Gear Swap (.pdf)

Cleaned and refined, using marc a's PHB instructional.
(...hope you don't mind Marc, as I may include this in a Manual revision)

944 N/A 5th Gear Swap

Yours looks a lot prettier than the one i was going to send!

However...i don't mean to be rude, but yours has a lot of incorrect information. It looks like you mixed up some of Marc's directions regarding accidental removal of the slider (which causes a significant amount more work).

I'll spare you the details and just get mine sent off tonight. It's based heavily on Marc's, but has a few tricks and some information that his didn't. He definitely deserves credit for the whole thing...i wouldn't have even attempted mine without it!

Thanks Chris...

Not trying to be a pushy ol' cuss...I was just looking @ the Porsche 944 service manual & realized there are a few changes due. Reason 1 for not being in the First Edition...

(I meant to weed out the slider info, but it was about 4:00 AM...
Shoulda been sleepin'...)

It's down until updated...

Oh, no problem at all! It really does look great! Let's just get the instructions straightened out and it'll be good to go

Normally i'm more reliable, but i had a friend from the Netherlands show up unexpectedly on monday night, then had to throw a little going away party for him last night...so my schedule is totally out of whack!

Porch wrote:...It really does look great!...

Now you have an idea of what (time & effort) I'm putting into the manual...
(USPS does deliver to White Rock, ya know...)

Believe me, it's on my list of things to buy! First i have to get mine running again though... THEN i'll scrounge up the money!

You've got mail, BTW...

Corrected and linked...

944 N/A 5th Gear Swap

Thanks Chris!

My project car is an 87S, I have a 86 Turbo transaxle that will go in the car, that I plan to put a ATB diff in. I also have my wrecked 89 944NA that I take the ocassional part from. It appears the 89 has the same 5th gear ratio as the early NA, but I seem to remember someone, maybe Marc A said it wouldn't work, thinner or thicker, can't remember. Anybody know if I have to source an early 5th gear, or can use the one from my 89NA?

After reading through the 2 links, it seems they were no help. '87 & '89 should be considered the
same if the transaxle codes are the same. Marc a used the early 5th in an '86 trans...'87 & '89 are "late".

The difference, if any, would probably be early vs. late.

Sorry,
I'm blank on this one...

Here's the codes anyway...
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Hey Greg, thanks for the links, since I have the 86 turbo transaxle, it seems like I need to get the early NA 5th. I'm going to dig some more, I need to get the part number off my 89 to double check. If Marc A used the early gear in his 86, then that's a known good combo. I have 3 transaxles and it seems I need a fourth!

Found something in PET...

1982-85

016 311 159 F.....GEAR WHEEL 5TH SPEED
016 311 353 E......SHIFTING GEAR 5TH SPEED
016 311 246.........DETENT 5TH SPEED
014 311 311 C......SPRING 5TH SPEED
014 311 295 E......SYNCHRONISER RING 5TH SPEED
016 311 192 A......CLUTCH HUB 5TH SPEED
______________________________________________

1991

016 311 159 C.....GEAR WHEEL 5TH SPEED
016 311 353 B.....SHIFTING GEAR 5TH SPEED
016 311 246.........DETENT 5TH SPEED
014 311 295 E......SYNCHRONISER RING 5TH SPEED
016 311 192 A......CLUTCH HUB 5TH SPEED
______________________________________________

1988

016 311 159 C......GEAR WHEEL 5TH SPEED (5Y / 5Z)
016 311 159 F......GEAR WHEEL 5TH SPEED (5S / 7V)
016 311 353 B......SHIFTING GEAR 5TH SPEED (5Y / 5Z)
016 311 353 B......SHIFTING GEAR 5TH SPEED (5S / 7V)
016 311 246..........DETENT 5TH SPEED
014 311 295 E.......SYNCHRONISER RING 5TH SPEED
016 311 192 A.......CLUTCH HUB 5TH SPEED

NOTES:
5Y = 1985.5-88 ROW W/O LSD, .8286 5TH GEAR
5Z = 1985.5-88 ROW W/ LSD, .8286 5TH GEAR
5S = 1985.5-88 USA / CANADA W/O LSD, .7297 5TH GEAR
7V = 1985.5-88 USA / CANADA W/ LSD, .7297 5TH GEAR

In other words, you may be correct. Or, the gears may be the same...

The 5th gear was revised, but without seeing the two gears side by side, who knows. Because the other parts (clutch hub, synchroniser, and detent) are the same, I'm going with the idea that they will interchange. The revision # is the only part of the part number that changed...

Need to see both early and late gears. My bet is on "same ol', same ol'"...

Eric/Admin: is this file gone, or can the links be corrected?

are you looking to swap your 5th gear setup? if so it is quite simple. I can assist you some.

I've already done it...i actually did the writeup that was posted here!

Some people on rennlist were looking for a writeup on it, so i pointed them over here....but then the pdf was gone

Ah, the guy I traded gear sets with is suppose to be doing a write up for his club, I will see if he has it able to be loaded into a site.

The write up is in the wiki.

Oh----no sh#&? We have a wiki?