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Post  watsondk on Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:31 pm

I don't have any dimensions but the new 5.0 is a massive engine due to the valvetrain. Not saying it shouldn't be attempted, it's one hell of an engine, but engine width will be the problem.

I spent an evening drinking with one of the primary engineers behind the Coyote. Long story short the professor of my internal combustion engines class was a college budy of his, every year his friend comes down as a guest lecturer. After class me and my FSAE team invited him out to a bar and we spent the evening discussing intake and exhaust design/fabrication.

Back on topic the 5.0 is awesome but may be too complex to achieve the aftermarket success of the LS engines. That being said properly desinged and built long-tube headers are good for ~40hp over stock. The ford engineer designed and fabricated a set for testing but they were way to expensive for production...they are now on his personal Mustang. Very Happy
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Post  haroldk on Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:13 pm

watsondk wrote:I don't have any dimensions but the new 5.0 is a massive engine due to the valvetrain. Not saying it shouldn't be attempted, it's one hell of an engine, but engine width will be the problem.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I would expect roughly the same issues as using a 928 engine. I believe the Mod motors are bigger than an LS mainly because of the overhead cam setup, and I thought the Coyote was even a bit bigger yet. At least with the Windsor I'm going with a more compact engine than an LS.
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Post  haroldk on Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:11 pm

We've been making some good progress on this. The engine is bolted in with the headers, lower intake, injectors and accessories. The brake booster and master are both in and the upper intake is in progress. I've also been working on wiring.
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Post  haroldk on Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:16 pm

And now it all comes back out because of a leaky clutch line.
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Post  haroldk on Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:02 am

Just thought I'd post up a progress photo. We're getting pretty close to the initial start up. I got the fuel lines run last night and the intake is all welded up and just needs a bracket for the throttle cable. There's still a lot of work yet to do to get it on the road, but we'll soon hear the engine run.

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Post  suboptimalfit on Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:54 am

LOVE IT! Go man GO!!!

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Post  xschop on Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:42 am

Can you explain the BH/clutch set-up. Dinsdale has a customer that wants the Coyote Supercharged engine in his 928GT.
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Post  haroldk on Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:48 am

xschop wrote:Can you explain the BH/clutch set-up. Dinsdale has a customer that wants the Coyote Supercharged engine in his 928GT.
I can't help you with a Coyote since this is a Windsor. We used a bellhousing from a '67 Comet and machined an adapter because it was the right depth and had a good diameter on the mating flange. If you're using a Coyote, you'd have to do your own research into bellhousings.
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Post  xschop on Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:51 am

What about throw-out bearing and clutch pressure plate/FW did you use?
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Post  haroldk on Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:54 am

xschop wrote:What about throw-out bearing and clutch pressure plate/FW did you use?
I used the stock Fox-body flywheel and pressure plate and a 2011 Mustang GT500 throwout bearing. This engine shares nothing with the Coyote, though.
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Post  xschop on Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:24 pm

Except the BH/Block bolt patterns?
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Post  haroldk on Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:10 pm

xschop wrote:Except the BH/Block bolt patterns?
Are you sure about that? I thought the Coyote used the late Mod Motor pattern.
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Post  suboptimalfit on Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:08 pm

did the 2011 throw out bearing get updated?? (the earlier ones were prone to noise upon startup).

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Post  haroldk on Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:39 am

In 2011, the GT500 got a dual disc clutch, so the throwout bearing is shorter. I don't recall the measurement, but I think it was almost an inch shorter than the Camaro unit. The downside is that it doesn't have a bleed port on it.
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Post  haroldk on Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:52 pm

We started it up today. We think there's a big vacuum leak under the upper intake, so we'll have to seal that up, but the thing started and didn't make any bad noises, leak any fluids or leak any blue smoke from the electronics. Later this week, we'll be working on the cooling system and brakes.
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Post  xschop on Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:53 am

Ok. I've seen pics of the Coyote BH and it will be easy to make the 6speed adapter. That's a wide OHC engine and it'll fit in a 928...not so sure about a 944 (xschop mods with-holding)....Good project you have going here.
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Post  haroldk on Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:07 am



Here's it running with coolant in it and no exhaust. The intake is also not done yet. The smoke is from the header paint cooking on.
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Post  liqtor on Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:40 pm

My 944 died this week and I want to put the new Ford Aluminator XS in I have looked at the dimensions and she is within an inch of the LS series engines but I cant find anyone to custom fab the parts to drop it in. Anyone here able to do the fab or know who can?

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Post  haroldk on Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:06 pm

liqtor wrote:My 944 died this week and I want to put the new Ford Aluminator XS in I have looked at the dimensions and she is within an inch of the LS series engines but I cant find anyone to custom fab the parts to drop it in. Anyone here able to do the fab or know who can?
That thing looks awfully big. If you don't have the skills to do it yourself, it could end up costing a pretty penny for all the fab work. Sorry I can't help.

I can say that my car moved under its own power for the first time in 2 years today, though.
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Post  liqtor on Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:24 pm

Hopefully someone here could do the fab to make up the parts that come with the ls kits only for the for engine...

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Post  haroldk on Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:29 pm

liqtor wrote:Hopefully someone here could do the fab to make up the parts that come with the ls kits only for the for engine...
Yes, I'm sure there are many people here with the ability. I guess I'd start with xschop, since he has looked at the available mod motor bell housings. I think you're going to need a hell of a bulge in your hood to fit that intake, though.
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Post  liqtor on Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:01 am

Sweet thanks for that... Hopefully he can help

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Post  liqtor on Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:26 am

Can not seem to send a PM to him... are there any issues with that function on these forums?

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Post  haroldk on Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:54 am

liqtor wrote:Can not seem to send a PM to him... are there any issues with that function on these forums?
If I recall correctly, there's a minimum number of posts before you can send PMs. It might help to start your own thread. I probably should have done that when I started, too.
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Post  xschop on Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:02 am

Please contact MatthewB to see what all he did to install the Ford engine. I would suggest the 1,2,3 UZ Toyota V8's as I've already designed the adapter and worked out clutch system. Any Jap engine utilizing the A340 trans can fit with the adapter. I am busy at the moment modifying one to mate a 1gz to the Vette 6 speed torque tube. It is the hybrid of all hybrids.Twisted Evil
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