Xschop's 5.3 LM7 build

You know, if anyone was using a G31 and steel (early) trailing arms you can bolt on 930 CV's. The VW guys make Chrome Moly 930 stub shafts and the late 915/930 transaxle output shafts bolt onto a G31.

Stock CV's are 100mm and the 930 is 108mm diameter. The Type 2 CV's are 2mm thinner than the 944's.

Hey 948 what do you mean by "preload"? The buggy guys say the axle shafts are kept in place by the self centering action of the CV's.

And yes the Type 2 cv's have +- 1mm less plunge axially than the type 4's because the outer race is 32mm whereas the type 4 cv is 34mm. However the inner races are both 28mm and fit perfectly on the 944 shafts with inner and outer snap rings installed. The cages are beefier too on the type 2's

As to V8 carrera, I saw a G31 (non turbo) tranny up close a few days ago and wondered how the pinion gear and ring gear rotate and are situated on the back?

The concave washer works like a spring. When installing a stock CV you usually have to push down on the CV axially a little to install the clip (Pre-load). IMO, the intended purpose of the concave washer is to prevent sliding of the mating splines, to improve life reduce wear etc. Again I don't think it will matter too much to our application but in 30,000 miles or so I would inspect them.

Also, check the range of articulation, IIRC the Type 2's have less than the OE ones had.....but IIRC they were still fine for the 944 arm movement.

I originally saw your post over on Gestapoville about the 944 rear control arm articulation not being anywhere near type 2 cv's 17 degree max. The Appletree rep said that 17 degrees is from parallel in all directions, is that the case?

At any rate I will lathe a Circlip groove 2mm wide only to the spline valley depth and stick on new inner stop rings. The factory stop rings are 33 spline and full circular and stop on an inner catch base that creates a stress riser area in the shaft. I'll post dims shortly so you can see what I'm saying.

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xschop wrote:I originally saw your post over on Gestapoville about the 944 rear control arm articulation not being anywhere near type 2 cv's 17 degree max. The Appletree rep said that 17 degrees is from parallel in all directions, is that the case?

At any rate I will lathe a Circlip groove 2mm wide only to the spline valley depth and stick on new inner stop rings. The factory stop rings are 33 spline and full circular and stop on an inner catch base that creates a stress riser area in the shaft. I'll post dims shortly so you can see what I'm saying.

IIRC the angle I measured was something like 8 dgrees in one directon and 10 in the other, either way is lower than the quoted angle. (You can measure on the bench to be sure).

You could try to cut a pocket, with a large radius, at the base of the shoulder you machine into the spline? A radius would help reduce any stresses.

As to V8 carrera, I saw a G31 (non turbo) tranny up close a few days ago and wondered how the pinion gear and ring gear rotate and are situated on the back?

If you compare both transaxles you will see that both shafts spin the same directions but the pinion gear is on the front of the lower shaft on the 016 and the pinion gear is on the rear of the lower shaft on the G31. The ring gears are on opposite sides of the cases. Because pinion gears drive the ring gears from the outside edge you need the ring gears on opposite sides for each type to drive the same direction.

Been wanting to do this for a while, so finally got around to setting up so I can do these. I will make a lockdown plate on the next one that attaches to the steering rack mounts so I can repeat without alot of set-up...but it's a done deal.....First thing the X-member got is an base wash and a fresh coat of paint. Dried a day or so and set it up on the Bridgeport and Fly-cut the base so it would lock down perfectly perpendicular when drilling the control arm bolt holes exactly 1" upwards....

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The way the factory should have done it.....

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Clamp it in and use a dial indicator to get it 100% true...
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And pre-drill with a locator first. Drill with 12mm bit, then pre-drill bottom and repeat for both sides...

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Then clean-up the new bolt area for new washers to seat nicely...

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Then I milled the motor mount locations for 1/2" setback for the V8 install...

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Then I lathed out 4 brand new 1.00" billet X-member spacers to complete the mod....

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Nice job, great pictures.
Question, I'm curious about you elongating the engine mount holes, I have just done a trial engine fit and I have 1/2 inch between the driver's side head and the firewall reinforcing plate. How can you use that elongation?

How much are you going to charge for the x-member mods and 1" spacers? I assume that one must use the bump steer units you manufacture.

V8 setback mounts....
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And I'm going to post this one for sale as a complete kit with TPC engine mounts with AC capability. You would have to get the TPC Bump-steer kit as I don't want to be mailing spindles, especially M030 stuff that I can't trust USPS with ....LOL.....

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Rob,
I see from your picture that you offset transmission mount controls the setback of the engine.

I queried the engine setback as you can see from my photo that the drivers side cylinder head is touching the nut retaining the firewall stiffener plate. (Will change that to a coach bolt). There is 1/2 inch between head and firewall.

You said in an earlier PM that things vary by the quality of the techs on the day. LOL
Is there variation on the distance from the crossmember to the firewall?

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Yes, you need a button head or coach bolt as you say on the brake plate for the V8 trans mount to adjust as far back as possible. I got extra hood clearance, and header clearance, along with truck crank pulley clearance with the extra 1/2" - 5/8" setback

Somehow my message is not getting across here.......LOL
How can one move the engine back when there is only 1/2 inch firewall clearance and the engine mounts are in the stock crossmember mounting holes. If I elongate the crossmember holes the engine will touch the firewall. Does your car have different engine bay dimensions?
I just don't see what I'm missing.

I was just trying to post before you did....
More than likely there is some slight variation between the X-member to firewalls as you can see the X-member to frame holes are slotted from the factory. Between the X-member/frame slotted holes and the X-member/engine mount slotting and the V8 trans mount, you have ultimate adjustability.


Also the main point is that even 3/8" set back of the engine gives you an extra 1/2" or so throttle body to hood clearance because the LS throttle body is right in the curvature of the hood, not to mention if you have the hood latch, your air intake boot will also not be touching....check out CFjoija's thread after he installed his V8 mount.

DID you already install your V8 mount? Because the thinner steel reinforcement plate will actually have about 3/8"-1/2" seperation from rear driver's head whereas the 1/4" thick billet brake plate (what I run) has 1/4" seperation....make sense?

I'm not concerned about clearance on the front of the engine because the latch panel and headlight equipment has gone. I'm using the enclosed lockable style hood pins and TPC's headlight buckets.
In addition, my Griffin radiator is in front of the old radiator mounting point and completely under the header panel.

Yes I'm concerned about the hood clearance but as yet have not cut away the center beam for a trial fit. I think I am going to have to grind away a portion of the throttle body also. I'm using Sloan's 1/2" x-member spacers.

I am very concerned about the head to firewall clearance, I'm using a Sloan stainless firewall plate, the big one, I believe its 1/8" thick. I went through this same problem with my V6 MGB and solved it by using a big hammer on the firewall, this is not possible on the 944.

You should not be concerned with 1/2" clearance....I have only 1/4" clearance AND rubber engine mounts and it does not hit no matter how hard I rev it or drop the clutch or lock up the brakes....

To answer the $$$ question. I was going to mod the X-members and make the billet spacers for $300 plus shipping but realized the steering shaft will need an extra 1" extension (like what I did in my gallery)....$400 plus shipping with the shaft extension mod. I need to build a lockdown plate soon...

I dropped my X-member 1.25" with the RX7 arms and extended my steering shaft.... What's funny is the 944 steering shaft is clocked wrong from the factory.....Oktoberfest at the factory

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What do you mean by "clocked wrong?" If you are talking about the position of the yokes they are suppose to be in phase. I.E. both in line with each other.....not like your picture. Every shaft I have ever seen, be it OEM or custom is like this.

Here is a good explanation:

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Although I wouldn't expect that you would really have any problems with a steering shaft because it doesn't rotate much.

Exactly...clocked WRONG from factory.... Go on ebay or search the net for pics, they are all out of phase. After I already did the mod I started looking into adjustable steering shaft set-up from Borgeson and realized the "phase" mishap on the P-car shaft. You're right tho, point is almost moot as it sees very little full rotation on a daily basis.
Oh yeah, the steering shaft spline is another reason I believe the TT shaft spline is not metric, because it is not metric at 11/16" x 40.....

I went and looked at my steering shaft. I never noticed that it is clocked wrong.

v8carreragts wrote:I went and looked at my steering shaft. I never noticed that it is clocked wrong.

Don't be so quick to assume it is wrong....(for a driveshaft spinning at 8000 RPM's) having 2 u-joints phased at zero degrees is very important for shafts with only PARALLEL misalignment. When you are dealing with parallel AND angular misalignment the story isn’t always so simple. It usually requires trial-and-error or an intelligent modelling software to determine phase angle......(though I am very surprised that it is 90 degrees out)

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Do they make a 11/16 x 40 U-joint? If they did, it would be rebuildable as well (judging from pics). The Borgeson joints are crimped.

xschop wrote:Hey Folks, can I just stick a new PCV valve or a Filter in the rear driver's head and cap the throttle body and passenger's head PCV ports (2ea).... Or does the passenger head need to be vented?

We don't have emissions inpections here, I just want as little lines/tubes as possible....

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Here is a link I found that shows how to swap convert from a LS1 to a LS6 PCV configuration and remove the blue and yellow lines and reduce oil consumption.

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HH, I found a $3 plug in solution, I thought I posted about it. It was a hollow PCV valve with about 1/16" hole drilled in the bottom, kinda like a mini "catch can"

I upgraded to Spectre #9732 air cone.....

Can't believe the difference..... Woke the 5.3l right up

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Put some sort of screen in after the air filter. The chrome button on the inside of the air filter has a tendency to come of and go through the motor with the cheaper air filters. Beware! A small screen is cheap insurance..... If your MAF still has the screen in it you should be safe.