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Post  Porch Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:41 am

I posted this over on rennlist, but for those of you who don't make the trip over there, here it is!




It's getting to be that time of year again, and my headlights are pretty dismal, so after searching around and finding my choices were ebay junk ($70-90) or expensive ($500+), i was about to give up until i stumbled on the hidplanet forums: http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/

There weren't any good examples of a 6024 swap on there, but i saw enough swaps to get the idea, and here it goes! I used:


  • Morimoto Mini H1 Projectors & shrouds - $120 [URL="http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=221&osCsid=ad9e005f5a6db204e3a48d41d041523f"]Link[/URL]
  • Ebay 6024 Halogen housings - $11 (see pic below)
  • DDM Tuning 35W H1 4300k HID kit - $35 [URL="http://www.ddmtuning.com/Product-Categories/HID-Kits-Lighting/HID-Kits"]Link[/URL]
  • ABS 3" to 2" pipe coupler x2 - $7 (source: hardware store)
  • Plast-Aid 6 oz. Plastic epoxy (-ish stuff) - $20 (source: ebay)

(Note prices don't include shipping)

So, getting started! Here's what i have:



Headlights. I made sure to get glass ones that were "diamond cut". The rest doesn't really matter...

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I removed everything from the back side:

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ABS Plastic coupler (found next to PVC pipes):
Made to adapt 3" to 2" pipe. Has ~3.5" ID. Best picture, sorry:

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Projector with shroud, shown next to headlight....that's not going to fit!

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And...start cutting!
I put the ABS adapter over the back of the headlight and stenciled out a line, then brought out the dremel. Make sure to cut on a flat plane (as shown in the picture):

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Once that's done, carefully fit the projector inside (you'll probably have to do a little more grinding to get it to fit). Take your time and make it a snug fit!

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Now, cut off the small part of the ABS coupler:

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Use your dremel to remove the shiny stuff from the part of the headlight you cut off, then use Plast-Aid to glue the back piece of the headlight to the coupler. I used a level to make sure that the back piece was installed perfectly:

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Tip for Plast-Aid: I found it worked best when i let it set for about 10 minutes. I also recommend adding the powder first in the bowl, then adding the liquid. It's a little tough to get the hang of, but it works well.... EXTREMELY well (i spent almost an hour trying to get two pieces apart to make a modification!).

For my exact setup, i removed 3/8" from the large end of the ABS adapter to allow the projector to seat as deep in the housing as possible. This is because we have a limited amount of space in the headlight area, so you want the assembly to be as shallow as possible. If you're doing something slightly different...measure!

I had to grind out the inside of the ABS adapter a little to fit the projector (with shroud attached) inside. Mine is a snug fit:

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I installed the projector completely in the ABS adapter using the adapters supplied with the projectors. Specifically i used the adapter and the nut. Using the nut to tighten everything down (draw the projector back into the ABS) prevents anything from moving, so i didn't feel like any further modification was needed to keep it in place.

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So now, it's all looking good! Ready to put some glue on it. Notice that i used the dremel to remove the factory paint on the headlight--Plast-Aid sticks better to plastic than it does to paint. The same goes anywhere you use the stuff. Make ABSOLUTELY sure that the "top" of the projector is aligned with the "top" of the headlight!! (Actually, i guess it doesn't even matter, since you can just rotate the headlight if need be!)

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Put some Plast-Aid on it:

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And WHA-LA!

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It's not perfect (you can see gaps around the projector shroud), but for the price, i'm very happy with it. I'm curious to see what else people come up with for ideas on this. I realize it's ugly on the back side (that plast-aid stuff is tough to get the hang of, but it works!), but once installed nobody will ever know. A final note: on all the plastic pieces i cut, i lapped them on a flat surface and a piece of sandpaper to make sure they were flat and would fit together tightly.

Tonight after work i'm going to install the HID portion of it and put it in the car. The red and black wires you see sticking out of it are for a solenoid that turns on the brights (it moves a metal gate that blocks half the light). The rest of the HID setup is just a positive and a negative. I'm planning to wire the HID portion into the low beam and the ground, and run the solenoid to the high beam wire and ground. Doesn't get much easier than that! :thumbsup:


In case you're wondering the difference between a $90 ebay setup and these, the ebay setups aren't real projectors--they just use a curved lense to mimic a projector look. They also don't (and can't) have cutoffs, because of the bulb position. In short, if you buy an ebay setup, it will be just as bright...but nobody in oncoming traffic will be able to see a thing! These are real projectors, with real shrouds. They'll be just like an OEM setup (for that matter, theretrofitsource.com sells OEM projectors...they just weren't as compact).

The nice thing about this whole setup is that it still retains headlight adjustability--so if you screw up getting it all straight in the housing, then you can just install it and adjust the headlight screws until it's right!

I'll get some before/after pics once they're installed.
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Post  944-LT1 Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:27 pm

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Trying to make your car look like mine eh?!?! Laughing Just kidding. Thats a really sweet setup/write up. Very Happy
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Post  Porch Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:28 pm

Do you have a similar setup on yours? I searched and searched but i couldn't find anyone who had done something similar...
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Post  944-LT1 Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:14 pm

Not really. I have 2 sets of round lights.
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Post  Arthropraxis Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:26 pm

I may have missed it, are these still pop up headlights? Great writeup.
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Post  Porch Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:22 pm

Yeah, these are still popups. I kinda like the popups, but some day i'll get rid of them.

If you were to buy the bucket kit from TPC, you could easily do this same kind of adapter to the rectangular headlights that Eric's kit uses (of course you'd have to buy some similar-style rectangular headlights).

The headlights are the cheap part of this whole setup--you spend the big bucks on the projectors and the HID's, after that, upgrading/changing stuff is easy.

944-LT1, i'm curious to see your setup! I was thinking of doing something like what (i think) you're describing. Is it the "sleepy eyes" like the 240 guys do?
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Post  turbobob924 Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:55 pm

cool write up!

I thought the HID's requires a balist box or something?
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Post  944-LT1 Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:56 pm

944-LT1, i'm curious to see your setup! I was thinking of doing something like what (i think) you're describing. Is it the "sleepy eyes" like the 240 guys do?
This is the way my lights were for quite awhile. When taking the LT1 out, I took these out and sent them to Eric. I will probably do the exact thing you are but would like to keep the staggered look.

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Post  Arthropraxis Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:01 pm

I really like that look with the 4 lights. Have any detailed/closeups? I eventually want to do something like that with Eric's buckets and 4 projector halogen lights.
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Post  cfgioja Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:10 pm

That 4 beam setup is what I want to aim for instead of just a rectangle light.
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Post  944-LT1 Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:13 pm

Thanks. No I dont have any close ups. Embarassed
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Post  cfgioja Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:40 pm

I've wondered how the lights were able to be adjusted? What kind of bracket system was designed or used when using those 4 light setup?
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Post  944-LT1 Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:17 pm

Just a basic 2-screw per light. Theyre not really headlights. Its simply 1 set of running lights and 1 set of fog lights. It wasnt really correct but they worked nicely. Im looking to do what Porch is doing. So....I will be copying. Laughing
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Post  xschop Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:26 am

Cool mod Porch.....Someone needs to make fiberglass nose panels to fit these on the 948.... The only way I would get rid of the pop-ups....

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Post  Porch Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:38 am

Thanks guys!
xschop-i've seen those on a corvette around town here, they look nice!

Here's the latest update:
Well, good news, and bad news. So we'll start with the bad news!

The bad news is that i forgot to take one little piece into account....the bulb! (D'oh!)
The assembly fits (under the cover and everything). When the bulb is installed, it adds another full inch to the back of the assembly, which i didn't take into account--I hadn't even looked at the bulb until now!

The good news is that i fired one up, realized how close i was and how much of an improvement this would be, and decided to put it in there anyways. I cut a notch in the top of the headlight bar. I was going to weld in some reinforcement on it, but after pushing and prying on it every way i could, the thing still doesn't flex or budge, and i don't think it's structural in any way.

I also ran the assembly for about 10 minutes in my garage (no moving air) to see what kind of temperatures i'd be looking at. So far, so good! It really doesn't get that hot. The main metal pieces were too hot to hold a finger on, but the plastic parts didn't even get warm to the touch on the outside.

So, here's some pictures:

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(Yes, the cover fits over it)

Here you can see the notch:
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I've only installed one so far, the other is still halogen:
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I am also going to have to change the wiring. I didn't realize that the stock headlight turned *off* the low beam when the high beams went on. I'm going to have to figure something out here (i have some ideas, but i'm open to suggestions from the electric gurus).

I'm going to go finish up the install right now, so hopefully tonight i'll have some great "finished product" pictures to post up!
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Post  Porch Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:40 am

944-LT1: you seem to be good with electrics, any suggestions on the high beams switch? Do i need to worry about power feeding back into the high/low beam circuit when it's not on?
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Post  944-LT1 Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:01 pm

944-LT1: you seem to be good with electrics, any suggestions on the high beams switch? Do i need to worry about power feeding back into the high/low beam circuit when it's not on?

With those lights, I would build a dedicated harness and relay/fuse center and just use the dash switch as a the control. I believe all the power right now passes through the dash switch and Im not sure how much amperage it can take. There was this guy on rennlist (iceshark or something like that) who made an upgraded harness? Similar to that though.

Anyway, theres two rather small gauge wires in the front lighting harness for each light; high and low beam. Then theres the grounds that bolt to the frame rail. Notice how small these wires are! I fear that with such a draw from those lights that the stock switch will fry or even worse....ignite.

I would simply take these wires and use them to control 2 40A relays (1 per light) and then take power directly from the battery to supply all the major 12V to power those lights....say 4 or 8 gauge wire like from a stereo amp install kit. These kits include a large power wire with 50A fuse inline and a large ground wire which are perfect for such amperage levels. Plus, the kits are cheap.

If youre really looking for light that requires other drivers to wear welding helmets, you could wire the lights so that both the low beam and high beam are on when you flick the switch to high. Very Happy

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Post  Porch Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:22 pm

Well, a couple of things!

First off, from what i've read these HID kits actually draw less power than a halogen. I believe there's a high initial voltage requirement for getting them lit, but after that they don't use as much. The company (DDM Tuning) that made the HID kit sells an upgraded harness for the lights, but they say they're absolutely not required on the 35w kit (what i have) and usually not necessary on the 55w kit. So, i think i'm okay in that regard.

The lights actually don't have a "high" beam per se, what they have is a solenoid that lifts the cutoff gate making it a wide-open projector. The beam itself stays the same. That's where i'm having an issue--i ran the power from the low beam wire to the bulb, so when i turn on the high beam, the solenoid opens....but the light goes out.

BTW, i love your headlight setup! Eventually i'll probably move over to something like that. It looks great!
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Post  944-LT1 Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:30 pm

Hmm. Funky. If the company says they dont require a separate harness, thats good news. Less work. Very Happy
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Post  Porch Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:31 pm

Alright, got 'er done!

Tell me this doesn't look cool!
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I got the wiring figured out. I added a 3A diode (35W / 14v = ~2.5A necessary) to each of the high and low beam wires, then connected them both to the positive on the HID bulb. I connected the positive on the high-beam solenoid behind the high-beam diode. Here's pictures of the wiring:

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Heat-shrinked and ready to have electrical tape put on:
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And now....low beams!
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High beams:

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It's hard to tell a difference between high and low in the pictures, but it actually makes a fairly big difference (look at the sign in the distance!). Even on low the lights provide way better visibility than i had before with my brights on. I do think i need to do a little more adjusting, but so far i'm extremely happy with how these turned out! No more worrying about animals on the freeway and stuff. Woohoo!

I still haven't put the covers back on, but i have test-fit them. I've been monitoring temperatures but i don't think it's going to be an issue. Others have suggested using epoxy instead of plast-aid out of concern over the temperatures, but we'll see how the plast-aid holds up.

The final issue i ran into was that the headlight retaining rings weren't holding these light housings in place. I solved this by running a 12ga electrical wire around the rim of the ring and then installing it. Once in place you can't even see it, and it holds the headlight perfectly in place.

Anyways...enjoy!
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Post  kevinlvy Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:09 am

Wow!

those are nice HID projection streams!

Would really like to see this one done for under $200!

Thanks for providing the guide and would ask if my friend is willing to swap his headlights.
The info got me thinking if i could use this build on other cars like for example my sister's 2003 suzuki vitara headlight bulb will be replaced with this DIY hids.. Twisted Evil

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Post  kelleysj Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:02 am

You should start selling these.
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Post  DVC Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:49 am

This looks awesome! Really updates the front end quite nicely.

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Post  kelleysj Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:47 am

How have these held up?
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