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renegade harness
vundba Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:54 pm
got a renegade harness,but it wasn't all marked.This is what I got:
4 plugs to computer
1 aldl
1 4 bank fuse box
1 brown check eng. light
1 pink check eng light
1 gray to fuel pump
1 white to tach
1 orange =?
2 larger red = ?
let greater wisdom prevail
please!!!
4 plugs to computer
1 aldl
1 4 bank fuse box
1 brown check eng. light
1 pink check eng light
1 gray to fuel pump
1 white to tach
1 orange =?
2 larger red = ?
let greater wisdom prevail
please!!!
vundba- Posts : 33
Join date : 2009-06-15
Location : Belvidere Ill.
Re: renegade harness
gt1scca Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:52 pm
Post a pic, BUT...
Orange = 12V (+)
Red = (? on the RH harness)
Do the red wires have terminals, or just bare wire?
Orange = 12V (+)
Red = (? on the RH harness)
Do the red wires have terminals, or just bare wire?
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Location : Belton, SC
vundba- Posts : 33
Join date : 2009-06-15
Location : Belvidere Ill.
Re: renegade harness
gt1scca Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:43 pm
MAY go to the starter.
Nothing in the RH instructions...just the 9 & 14 pin plug terminals.
A wire trace would split the harness apart...I'll trace and document everything if you want to ship it to me. I'll also fix the other BS (bare wires w/ no terminals, etc.).
In other words, I can trace it easily...just need the harness to do so.
AND, it'll be CHEAP...
BTW, Painless uses their own wire colors, etc. also...
Nothing in the RH instructions...just the 9 & 14 pin plug terminals.
A wire trace would split the harness apart...I'll trace and document everything if you want to ship it to me. I'll also fix the other BS (bare wires w/ no terminals, etc.).
In other words, I can trace it easily...just need the harness to do so.
AND, it'll be CHEAP...
BTW, Painless uses their own wire colors, etc. also...
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Re: renegade harness
vundba Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:35 pm
ok! took your advice to heart,but you know if I'm ever going to get over my fear of wiring I'm going to need to figure it out .So I got the harness out of the car slapped it on the kitchen table and took my meter out and started checking.This is what I found.
1 red wire went to ignition module,and coil
1 red wire went to injectors
orange w/blk went to pcm
do both reds go to constant power ?
orange is obviously to constant 12v+ to hold memory, right?
1 red wire went to ignition module,and coil
1 red wire went to injectors
orange w/blk went to pcm
do both reds go to constant power ?
orange is obviously to constant 12v+ to hold memory, right?
vundba- Posts : 33
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Location : Belvidere Ill.
Re: renegade harness
gt1scca Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:55 pm
Well,
Congrats! You have lost your "wiring virginity"...
RED PCM PLUG / PIN 6
Injector #7 Control = (RED / BLK) B+ (12V+)
BLACK PCM PLUG / PIN 14
Dist. Ign. Feed = (RED) B+ (12V+)
BLACK PCM PLUG / PIN 30
PCM Ign. Feed = (PNK) B+ (12V+)
*TO IGN. SW.
BLACK PCM PLUG / PIN 31
PCM BATT. Feed = (ORN) B+ (12V+)
*TO BATT. +
In other words, yes...RED goes to BATT. 12v+.
The ORN / BLK should be grounded in the harness somewhere...it goes to the PNP (PARK NEUTRAL POSITION switch, which needs to be grounded to bypass the PNP switch (AT).
Congrats! You have lost your "wiring virginity"...
RED PCM PLUG / PIN 6
Injector #7 Control = (RED / BLK) B+ (12V+)
BLACK PCM PLUG / PIN 14
Dist. Ign. Feed = (RED) B+ (12V+)
BLACK PCM PLUG / PIN 30
PCM Ign. Feed = (PNK) B+ (12V+)
*TO IGN. SW.
BLACK PCM PLUG / PIN 31
PCM BATT. Feed = (ORN) B+ (12V+)
*TO BATT. +
In other words, yes...RED goes to BATT. 12v+.
The ORN / BLK should be grounded in the harness somewhere...it goes to the PNP (PARK NEUTRAL POSITION switch, which needs to be grounded to bypass the PNP switch (AT).
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Re: renegade harness
vundba Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:27 pm
HUH!
You're giving me way to much credit !,everything you just wrote looks like chinese.
If I'm understanding this all three wires(2 reds ,orange/blk) go to the battery?
You're giving me way to much credit !,everything you just wrote looks like chinese.
If I'm understanding this all three wires(2 reds ,orange/blk) go to the battery?
vundba- Posts : 33
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Location : Belvidere Ill.
Re: renegade harness
gt1scca Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:31 pm
No...vundba wrote:HUH!
You're giving me way to much credit !,everything you just wrote looks like chinese.
If I'm understanding this all three wires(2 reds ,orange/blk) go to the battery?
2 RED go to BATTERY +...The ORN/BLK should already be correct if it's not with the 2 reds...
(If ORN/BK goes to 12V+, that thing will NEVER start...
)
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PC Harness
xschop Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:31 pm
Did you get the (RH) regular harness or the (PC) Pre-Crashed harness?
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Location : OKC
Re: renegade harness
vundba Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:41 pm
what's a precrashed harness? or do you mean have I chucked it across the garage yet?, then yes!
from what I've found the one red wire to the coil goes to switched 12v,the other goes to constant on.And the orange/wblack is the pnp (park neutral position) wire but I don't think I hook it up unless I have an auto trans.
If anyone has any insight I will gladly listen .I bought a book on wiring and it's like reading another language.At this point I'm fit to be tied but my wife is'nt into it.LOL
from what I've found the one red wire to the coil goes to switched 12v,the other goes to constant on.And the orange/wblack is the pnp (park neutral position) wire but I don't think I hook it up unless I have an auto trans.
If anyone has any insight I will gladly listen .I bought a book on wiring and it's like reading another language.At this point I'm fit to be tied but my wife is'nt into it.LOL
vundba- Posts : 33
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Location : Belvidere Ill.
Re: renegade harness
gt1scca Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:28 am
WTH would RH have 2 of the same color wires going to 2 diff. voltage sources?
(Orange / Black goes to ground)
(BUCKLE UP...BUCKLE UP)
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(Orange / Black goes to ground)
(BUCKLE UP...BUCKLE UP)
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Re: renegade harness
vundba Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:50 am
OK! got an answer from from Steve at RH ,He says that the one wire to the injectors is usually triggered by a pulsing ground?
He's a newer guy that seems to be pretty helpful, apparently after 6 years they have a different harness guy
He's a newer guy that seems to be pretty helpful, apparently after 6 years they have a different harness guy
vundba- Posts : 33
Join date : 2009-06-15
Location : Belvidere Ill.
Re: renegade harness
gt1scca Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:59 am
Yeah,vundba wrote:OK! got an answer from from Steve at RH ,He says that the one wire to the injectors is usually triggered by a pulsing ground?
He's a newer guy that seems to be pretty helpful, apparently after 6 years they have a different harness guy
Steve is the one that booted me from PHB...
"pulsing ground" comes from the PCM...
'sounds like an OOPS.
Maybe I'll call Steve and offer MY services. Couldn't hurt...
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Re: renegade harness
vundba Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:04 pm
OHH REEEEALLY!!!
I don't know maybe they've come to the realization that service is half of your business.To little to late?
I don't know maybe they've come to the realization that service is half of your business.To little to late?
vundba- Posts : 33
Join date : 2009-06-15
Location : Belvidere Ill.
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