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Manual brake pedal arm modification
Arthropraxis Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:57 pm
I drilled the early brake pedal arm up .75inches to use manual brakes. The power brake pin is 10mm but the pedal was drilled out to 11.11mm. So there is a little slack around the clevis pin, is that ok?
The power brake clevis is wider than the early brake pedal, do I need to make a spacer or can it just be left empty on the sides? Thanks, for any help.
The power brake clevis is wider than the early brake pedal, do I need to make a spacer or can it just be left empty on the sides? Thanks, for any help.
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
962porsche Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:34 am
i would make some spacers for it . i don't like play when i build things it tends to cause premature where . but thats just me !
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
Arthropraxis Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:04 am
That should be easy enough to make spacers. How about the hole for the clevis pin being 11.11 with the pin being 10mm? It may be overkill to worry about that but I don't want to take it out later.
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
xschop Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:44 am
Your pedal will feel loose if you drilled that hole 7/16" and will wear out quick. You may have to find a 7/16" dowel and insert into the pedal and cotter pin the clevis after drilling it 7/16"
EDIT: No welding involved with the brake clevis cause it is double sided.....
The point is you are increasing the pushrod pivot to pedal distance and multiplying the looseness/play at the pedal by 5 or 6 times if you allow any slop.....
https://944hybrids.forumotion.com/brake-mods-f4/brake-pedal-arm-modification-t253.htm
EDIT: No welding involved with the brake clevis cause it is double sided.....
The point is you are increasing the pushrod pivot to pedal distance and multiplying the looseness/play at the pedal by 5 or 6 times if you allow any slop.....
https://944hybrids.forumotion.com/brake-mods-f4/brake-pedal-arm-modification-t253.htm
Last edited by xschop on Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:00 am; edited 1 time in total
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
Arthropraxis Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:00 am
Could I get a steel bushing/sleeve with a 10mm ID and cut it the width of the power brake clevis pin? Then all I would need to do is drill the same hole to accept the sleeve and tack it so it doesn't move.
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
xschop Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:04 am
That's using your noggin'. Install with some axle grease to keep it quiet.
P.S. Just did the calcs and if you can mic the 944 pin ( assuming it is worn after all these years) it may insert into a 0.375 (3/8") bore and Ace hardware has an asortment you could grind off the ends to fit the inner clevis....JAT
P.S. Just did the calcs and if you can mic the 944 pin ( assuming it is worn after all these years) it may insert into a 0.375 (3/8") bore and Ace hardware has an asortment you could grind off the ends to fit the inner clevis....JAT
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
xschop Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:31 am
From your other post....
""""Another question. The brake pedal clevis for the power brake is wider than the manual brake arm, do I just fabricate some plastic spacers to make it a tighter fit? Or can I leave it as is?""""
You should leave this as is because I think Porsche did this to make up for the differences in the pedal/clevis to firewall/booster mounting hole location variances during assembly.....remember the X-member to hood differences LOL?
""""Another question. The brake pedal clevis for the power brake is wider than the manual brake arm, do I just fabricate some plastic spacers to make it a tighter fit? Or can I leave it as is?""""
You should leave this as is because I think Porsche did this to make up for the differences in the pedal/clevis to firewall/booster mounting hole location variances during assembly.....remember the X-member to hood differences LOL?
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
Arthropraxis Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:45 am
Thanks, I'll do that this afternoon when the stores open. Damn blue laws.
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
Arthropraxis Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:26 pm
Just in case someone searches, 3/8" did not fit the pin. Going to order a 10.3 mm (.406 in)ID sleeve from McMaster-Carr. I am going to get two and modify the power brake pedal up one inch so I can try them both out and see which one I like better.
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
xschop Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:06 pm
Also 25/64" can be used to drill the pedal if you don't have a 10mm drill bit. Done it before when a 10mm HSS bit the dust on a steel piece awhile back.
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
robstah Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:35 pm
What about a set of metric drill bits like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Worldwide-10Pc-HSS-Metric-Drill-Bit-Set-1-10mm-944-/260703491568?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item3cb32395f0#ht_911wt_905
That's the cheapest set I can find, and it's all the way in the UK. Oy.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Worldwide-10Pc-HSS-Metric-Drill-Bit-Set-1-10mm-944-/260703491568?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item3cb32395f0#ht_911wt_905
That's the cheapest set I can find, and it's all the way in the UK. Oy.
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Standard parts
Warwood Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:10 am
Ya know it may have been easier to start from stratch with SAE standard parts. The metric system is great but sometimes I wonder it's worth the hassle. 
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
sbwrench Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:54 am
The metric system is like computers. Just a fad. It will never catch on, don't worry!!
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
xschop Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:13 pm
Metric is less confusing on the fly. It also bases mass,volume, and distance on one universal standard whereas the king's foot wasn't very accurate standard lol.
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
robstah Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:48 pm
The US should have converted to metric already.
GM, for the most part, has converted over to metric.
GM, for the most part, has converted over to metric.
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
Arthropraxis Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:09 pm
Part number 8486A91 Metric Steel Press-fit Drill Bushing, 10 Mm Id, 15 Mm Od, 12 Mm Length from McMaster-Carr is perfect fit for the solid and the hollow brake pedals. Fits the pin and the clevis perfectly. Just in case anyone else searches for this.
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Metric Standard?
Warwood Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:19 pm
Okay get out your metric tools. You should have at least 10 thru 19mm.
Japanees cars. You need 10 12 15 17 19
German cars. You need 10 13 15 17 19
GM cars. You need 10 11 12 14 15 16 17 18 19 just to start.
There is nothing standard about using the metric system like that. And if you work with brake bleeders in metric you better have six point wrenches.
I'm not anti-metric, but I think that the word starndard should mean standard. Before the 1970's SAE was the Standard, no one cared because everything worked very well.
Japanees cars. You need 10 12 15 17 19
German cars. You need 10 13 15 17 19
GM cars. You need 10 11 12 14 15 16 17 18 19 just to start.
There is nothing standard about using the metric system like that. And if you work with brake bleeders in metric you better have six point wrenches.
I'm not anti-metric, but I think that the word starndard should mean standard. Before the 1970's SAE was the Standard, no one cared because everything worked very well.
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
Marky522 Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:46 pm
Actually you are referring to OLD German, now you need the following... 5.5, 6, 7,8,10, 11, 13, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 24, 30, E8, E10, E12, T10, T15, T20, T25, T30, T40, T45, T47, T50, Allen: 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12... And thats just basic day to day Porsche Stuff... Dont get me started with special tools...
Mark
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Re: Manual brake pedal arm modification
Arthropraxis Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:33 pm
I just finished putting the pedal in. It fits great. I can't describe how much fun it was putting the return spring back on.
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