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Post  Dan J on Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:35 pm

I'll send a photo of what I come up with - although it won't be radical. The main thing holding me back from cutting out that main hood latch is developing a good setup for hood pins. From searching it looks as though there are a lot of ways around that barn.

I hear you about machining and fabrication - those skills would be good to have and/or develop along with the project. I can't convince my wife that it's a good idea to start putting machine tools in the garage though.

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Post  cfgioja on Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:36 pm

I have some of the skills but neither the space or the tools.
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Post  cfgioja on Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:18 pm

This setup looked soo much cleaner when all I had in the early car was the engine and the necessaries in the engine bay. I am trying to run all these wires along the harness or other tubes but it looks so cluttered. It is not the finished product y any means but it will have to do until I tear it all apart again for body and the hydro boost setup.

Good news though, I tested the starter today and it cranked over. I had the ignition and fuel system unhooked to ensure no fire, just testing the electrical on the starter. it makes me rest a little easier now that I know it cranks and no big clunks.

Now I have hook up the exhaust and fill the fluids up and see how this things runs. That is a project for this weekend.
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Post  cfgioja on Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:32 pm

So I got a few big things lined out today.

Got my title released from Oklahoma so I can tag it in Arkansas now.
New Yokohama, Avid Evigors, tires all round, they look alot better.

Also weighed the car with 4 gals of gas without me in it;

Total is a rough 2800lbs
51% front to 49% rear ratio.

So it came in lighter than a stock 1986 Turbo right?
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Post  docwyte on Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:03 pm

Wow that's pretty light. You have any seats/interior in it? I haven't weighed mine since the swap but I figure to weigh somewhere around 2920 lbs as my rollbar weighs almost 90 lbs...

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Post  cfgioja on Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:15 pm

Complete interior, things left to add are a/c power steering and hydroboost. So that will add some weight. Then I wil relocate the battery to the rear for weight distubution.
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Post  Dan J on Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:59 pm

That seems light for a car with the stock interior - nice. Is it a sunroof car?

So what will that mean for your power/weight ratio? For example 2,800/350hp = 8lbs per hp. The C6 Z06 is listed at 6.3lbs per hp (3,180/505). Any idea how much power your motor is making?

Good on ya.
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Post  cfgioja on Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:08 pm

I said complete interior, not stock. I have racing seats which are a whole lot lighter than the power seats were and I stripped the molding insulation uner the carpet. It does have a sun roof at the moment, but I think i'm going to get rid of it, as much as I like it, less wiring and less likely to leak without it there.

If a stock LS1 makes some where in the mid 300s and a stock LS6 makes 405; I am hoping for at least 375 at the minimum, but I have Ls6 heads and upgraded valve train so I truly wont know until I get it to Little rock for a dyno and tune.

I will be weighing it again after I install the ground control suspension to see how much that affects it and hopefully a place that has a print out, not just scribbles on a piece of paper.

I was thinking about my interior some more. I dont have speakers or a radio either. not sure how much that would take out in weight.
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Post  v8carreragts on Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:46 pm

Maybe the later cars are heavier? My 84 is listed w/a/c & power windows at 2965. With the fiberglass Carrera GTS front bumper, front fenders, hood, OEM Euro rear bumper, my sunroof delete, GTS headlights, aftermarket seats and 50# of undercoating removed I am taking off about 288#.

I have been weighing my engine parts and my total engine (Gen I) will be about 450# (122# weight savings by using light parts) I didn't weigh the 944 engine but according to the OEM spec's it was 414#. So I am about 36# heaver than the 944 engine.

So that means my car should be just over 2700#. (I could take off another 55# with the plastic rear hatch glass) And if my engine makes the HP I expect I will have a power to weight of about 5.7. (5.7# per HP) This should kick the ass of my buddy's 94 500HP ZR1. (6.5# per HP)
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Post  cfgioja on Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:45 pm

I readup and found a 1986 turbo to have a curb weight of 3040 and 3070 full tank. I know talking to renegade that the turbo motors weigh more than the aliminum block LS motors do. I plan on doing Erics fenders and keep dropping weight here and there to increase that power to weight ratio like you.

I have no idea on hp or torque, this is my first complete ground up build of a motor and I have never ran an LS before, I have only installed what parts comp suggested and ran what was needed for this conversion. So I am completely in the dark about it except for what specs I have read and hope increase from my upgrades.
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Post  docwyte on Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:01 am

My car with race seats, welded rollbar, rear seat delete and some sound deadening delete with 6-7 gallons of fuel and the stock motor weighed 3000lbs.

The rollbar weighs around 90lbs, but my race seats only weigh 18lbs each vs the very heavy stock power seats...

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Post  Wild Bill on Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:09 pm

My 86 with a Small block Chevy, Quicktime bellhousing, Hydroboost, single 3" exhaust with cat and glasspack and custom muffler and the rest stock interior sunroof car came to 3050 Lbs with full fuel, spare tire, jack etc and a laptop on the passenger seat, and weight bias 49F/51R without me in it. Just for comparison.. Airline cargo scales
Keep up the good work!
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Post  cfgioja on Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:16 pm

Wild Bill there's another reason, I keep over looking. I took all the extra stuff out, no spare or jack. No cat, just exhaust and muffler. I will double check the numbers I got though, I did it at a metal scrap yard and they were getting busy tight as I pulled up to the scales. Its always good to double check.
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Post  docwyte on Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:43 am

Wow, 3050 with full interior and a full tank of gas! I need to get mine back on the scales, I might be around 2900lbs with 6-7 gallons of fuel...

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Post  xschop on Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:50 am

Go to a Truck stop and get it on the CAT scales.....2980lbs here with an ironblock and full interior. I recently removed the rear seat back it weighed @25-30lbs
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Post  Wild Bill on Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:17 pm

Make sure that big magnet isn't lurking when you have it at the scrap yard.. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I wouldn't turn my back. If I had a scrap yard my incoming scale would be a little light! Laughing
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Post  cfgioja on Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:52 pm

That's something to look out for. Almost added about 7k to the rear when a truck thought I was done when I pulled up to do my rear weight. It got busy right about that time it was kinda funny. They are all turning in metal and I have to explain that the car may look it but is definitely not scrap.
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Post  cfgioja on Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:21 am

Just wanted to put up the link to my gallery, I got a brand new and my first true tool box. So i managed to get my shop cleaned out and organized so I can work smoother. Not as big as Eric's shop but it gives me a place away from the rain. Check it out.

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Post  cfgioja on Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:46 pm

Took the car out for a short spin down the street and back, I am hoping an alignment and suspension will get her under control now. This car feels alot more powerful than the original ls1 did. It had me breathless in 1st, nervous in 2nd, and almost needed a diaper in 3rd. I have never had a car like this before.
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Post  cfgioja on Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:36 pm

So I took the car out for its first drive to town and no video.

I need a tune on my cam. It runs pretty descent and has tons of power as expected but it doesnt like to idle after it warms up from driving. I will figure it out. But all in all it was a pretty awesome drive. This time I had no smoke, well except for the tires that one time.
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Post  cfgioja on Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:49 pm

Hoping to get my block back this week, it has been dipped and new cam bearings have been installed. They are suppose to home it again and let me know how that turned out. keeping my fingers crossed. I am tired of seeing the car gutted again.
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Post  a951 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:02 pm

videos man! Wink

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Post  cfgioja on Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:09 am

Took a few extra steps this time around on the build. I upgraded to Poly motor mounts and decided to double check and triple check everything I was doing. I never noticed a clearance issue before on my build until i installed the poly mounts. I lined up my crossmember with the motor upside down on the stand and had issues with my Renegade oil pan.

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Looks like they were lacking a few items on their modifications when I purchased this back in 2009. (yes I have been building since then, this is my third assembly.)

I contacted Eric and Robert and took some suggestions off of their pan designs. Now I have it ready to have the pan welded back together and for a final test fit. It is easier then trying to get RH to fix a design they have been using for 10 years now.

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I hope that the since the steering box is on the driver side that the mod to the passenger side steering mount will not affect anything. I know alot of us have been doing it so I think I should be good.

After this I will assemble the clutch assembly and put the bell housing on to come up with a dust cover for the lower half.
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Post  xschop on Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:46 am

Looks good.... Tig it with gas while the pan flange is clamped down completely.
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Post  Joe on Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:30 am

Have you picture pick up oil , please

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