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Post  kachunk on Thu May 24, 2012 8:17 pm

Hey all - starting a thread for my project 90 S2 conversion.
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Its in the initial stages, still gathering a lot of parts, ideas, learning a lot!
I found a donor 2000 F-body LS1 with wiring that is currently being refreshed. Engine had 80k miles on it, was supposedly inspected by seller, but he didn't have documentation. I received it disassembled. Engine shop is cleaning, checking tolerances and installing new bearings. I've got a cam ordered from EPS to give it a kick in the pants. Also planning an LS6 intake.
I am considering installing the heads/valvetrain myself, but a little nervous about the risk of screwing something up. I consider myself an amateur mechanic at best.
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Looking forward to learning alot and getting this thing together. My initial target is to get it roadworthy by next summer. I'll be asking dumb questions and making mistakes, but there is a wealth of knowledge on this site to help guide me!

So that I'm not flooding this thread with unnecessary pics, I will post additional pics in my photobucket album here:

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Post  kevin924kevin on Thu May 24, 2012 8:55 pm

Welcome aboard you came to the right place for all the info needed and fantastic parts.
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Post  Lemming on Thu May 24, 2012 9:00 pm

Good luck on the project, lots of good into and knowhow on this forum.
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Post  kachunk on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:39 pm

I finally got the engine free today. I've had it loose for a few days, but didn't have a way to get the car high enough to get the engine out. I wound up using a 12 inch tall piece of 4X4 ontop of my jackpad to get the necessary clearance. It went smoothly, the only hiccup I had is the steering shaft u-joint was stuck on the splines. So I wound up disassembling part of the steering rack in order to remove the rack.

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Here is the motorcycle lift I used to lower the engine out
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This is how high the front was lifted. Taken from across the hood of my Dodge Ram....
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So the entire drivetrain is out. I'm still gathering LS1 parts. and cleaning up the engine compartment...
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Post  Rich L. on Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:29 pm

The 944's cute peeking over the Ram.

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Post  Rich L. on Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:32 pm

p.s. Good progress on the project. I struggled with the steering shaft too until I figured out the bolt had to come all the way out. It's like a ball joint.

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Post  kachunk on Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:33 pm

Thanks for the support, guys!

I have most of the 944 engine harness out of the car. Can someone confirm if I need to pull the front harness that goes from the connector at the firewall to the dirvers headlight area? Or does that stay? I have a Camaro harness to go in.

I'm also working on rebuilding the calipers. Sent the fronts for rebuild through Rockauto. I'll post how it turns out. Bit of a gamble, they weren't in terrible shape, but for the price, I'll give it a shot! I had noticed the rears were sticking a little bit occasionally. Doing the rear caliper seals and dust boots myself, because there is no rebuild service available. Planning a nice powderocat finish when the work is done. Still debating the color, leaning towards red.

Pelican DOT braided stainless flexhoses now installed, but I broke the hard line to the drivers rear caliper in the process. Ugh, thats an expensive piece of tube (pelican) No
Knock on wood, but its only the second thing I've broken so far....

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Post  skywalker01 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:07 pm

Good luck to you! You've definitely come to the right place to get info on how to do the conversion correctly and cheaply the first time!
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Post  944-LT1 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:42 am

kachunk wrote:I have most of the 944 engine harness out of the car. Can someone confirm if I need to pull the front harness that goes from the connector at the firewall to the dirvers headlight area? Or does that stay? I have a Camaro harness to go in.

Welcome....sorry Im late.

That harness (from firewall to headlight area) is for the headlights/fog lights/etc. I wouldnt pull that out. The camaro harness is just to power the engine yes? So, it should stay.

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Post  kachunk on Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:15 pm

Made some slow progress. Still waiting for my shortblock to get checked/refreshed and a valve job. Frustrating.
Got the braker booster removed.
That was the most twisted position I've ever been in while working on a car!
Still having trouble disconnecting the slave cylinder pin from the back of the pedal. I got the clip removed, but there doesn't seem to be enough room to slide the pin out of the slot.

I purchased a hydroboost setup from a 2000 Mustang. Got the 944 clevis threaded on with no problem.
I've insulated the drivers side framerail with thermotec adhesive backed insulation. I bought the 12x24 size and used about 99% of it.
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Cardone retruned my calipers saying that they didn't have the parts available to rebuild them. So that was a waste of time, but they did refund my money. So I got seal kits from Karl at Racer's Edge. He's been great to work with.
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I'm still debating what color to have the calipers powdercoated. I'm leaning towards a titanium color (silver/gold/pewter). I think it would look good with red Porsche lettering. I ordered some free swatches from Prismatic to help me decide. Something like this example?
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For sandblasting, I'm protecting the new seals using threaded rod, some big washers and nuts.
I will emphasize to the coater to be careful around those areas.
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I'm also touching some paint on the passenger framerail that got scratched through the primer when I removed the old engine.
And I'm now tackling the 5th gear swap for my recently acquired 9U turbo trans.
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Post  kachunk on Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:14 pm

Just a few updates....

Got the calipers powdercoated with a Prismatic Powders color PMB 1214 Dark Titanium. I 'm pretty happy with it. It looks like it has a little pearl in it, but its a nice deep "champagney" gold. Thought I had a local source to do the work, but it fell through. Wound up working with "Its Not Paint" in Huntsville, Al. Jese there does great work.

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"Porsche" lettering stencil is on the way, the lettering will be red.

Here is some updates with the engine. Had the heads milled 0.010 just to clean up the sealing surface. Cleaned all the carbon out of the ports and combustion chamber with Mopar combustion chamber cleaner. Soaked the valves in it for a few hours to help clean the crap off. After inspection I felt I could get away without a valve job. However, the exhaust valves felt like 120 grit sand paper, so I did ante up for a new set. Ferrea 6232 were affordable and met my expectations for a near stock valve. Once I got them I realized the face is not as dished as the stock valves. It probably helps compression a tad, but I'm not sure about flow....
I hand lapped the intake and the new exhaust valves, and I'm happy with the results. I used medium then fine grit, and I think it is going to seal well now.

Intake before and after:
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Note the new valve face is not as "dished" as the OEM valve. Any thoughts? Weight was only 2 grams heavier....
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exhaust valve seat before lapping:
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I am going to measure the combustion chamber volume to see if I could benefit from a Cometic thin head gasket. I'll knock it out this week.
Have the clutch fittings all together now.
I will post up some pics of my hydroboost mount as soon as I can.
Been very busy with social commitments this summer. Its been keeping me from my precious.... Sad


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Post  the951racer on Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:20 am

Awesome progress man. You do your fifth gear swap yet? I just buttoned mine all back up yesterday. Gonna pressure wash it first before I put it back in the car.

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Post  kachunk on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:29 pm

Ok long time, slow progress.

I had period correct stencils made to fit the calipers. I could not find ANY of the correct stencils or decals anywhere. There were none available in the market place (Porsche patent infringement?) . I felt a little uncomfortable paying for developing new stencils, but the shop was willing to work with me in a big way. In the big scheme of things, maybe it helps out another guy like me working on his car, so I sucked it up and got it done. There is now a shop in SE MI that has a pattern that is near identical to the stock late 80's "PORSCHE" font on the cheap....
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Finally got the shortblock back from the machinist. Looks good. I was frustrated with the amount of time it took, but it looks like everything was done correctly/completely. Although not requested, ARP bolts were used for the rods and crank mains. I'm not going to be making extreme HP, but everything is clean and ready to go.

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The cam was degreed in, it measured just as advertised with +2 advance ground in.
EPS grind .596/.598 222/226 with 113 LSA +2
I finished assembling the longblock with Cometic 0.40 head gaskets, PAC beehive springs, comp cams trunion upgrade, c5 windage tray (clearanced slightly at oil tube pickup tube), TPC oil pan, LS6 valley cover (ground my LS1 block to fit it), new knock sensors, lifter guides, valve stem seals all the rest...

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Post  kachunk on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:41 pm

I also got the motor mounts and cross member mocked up. With XSChop's mounts and TPC oil pan, small clearancing of the drivers PS rack mount was necessary. An angle grinder made quick work of the aluminum cross member. A few minutes later and everything was blended and torqued down. I don't expect any issues with the amount of material that was removed.

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Post  kachunk on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:14 pm

Been a while since I posted an update.
I kept looking are the rear suspension on the ground, I finally bit the bullet and updated it. Spent a fortune but made improvements while its convenient.
Polybronze springplate bushings, sport hardness trailing arm bushings, solid torsion carrier mounts, 28mm torsion bars. My wallet is crying, but it needed to be done (160k miles on the original parts). The springplate bushings were visibly sagging. New torsion bars will balance the previously installed 250 lb springs in the front. Had the spring plates and fasteners replated at a local plater. Had the torsion tube carriers and engine cross member anodized clear to keep them from getting all crusty from galvanic corrosion. The combination of the 3.0L oil cooler housing leak and Michigan/PA roads resulted in a coating of yellow crusty residue on every surface of the passenger undercarriage. Ugh.

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Working on installing Bosch 044 fuel pump and Corvette filter/regulator near the fuel tank now. Then I can get the trans/torque tube mocked up for the engine install.
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Post  kachunk on Thu May 09, 2013 10:45 pm

Been makin some progress, and wanted to update this thread.

Completed:
- New fuel pump and filter/regulator installed and plumbed - added clearance in fuel pump cover for longer Bosch pump w/ fittings. Fuel line plumbed into engine compartment.
- Rear suspension rebuilt and installed - incl shift linkage w/ XSchop short shifter. Everything lined up great and feels tight. New EMPI axles/cv joints installed. New parking brake shoes. TPC VSS kit.
- Engine mocked up - slotted cross member at upright stud holes 1/4" due to trans mount shifting everything rearward. Tons of room in front of the engine now. Hoping control arm install is not affected....

Here's how I installed it:
Hung the engine from hoist and bolted the engine w/ bellhousing to the adapter plate (already installed onto TT). Then loosely bolted up the cross member to the uprights. Then I tightened the xmember to the chassis, then uprights to xmember. It took some shifting and patience. The engine is also lining up tight to the drivers side (firewall). I'm not 100% happy with it, but it is IN! Still messin w it.

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Post  Admin on Fri May 10, 2013 7:10 am

The driver's side area is usually the spot that gets a little 5lb message... afro

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Post  kachunk on Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:18 pm

Well I finally decided that this thing needed to get done, and get done right. Based on the way my lack of free time anymore, I decided to have TPC complete the swap for me. I'm excited to have TPC apply their knowledge and make sure things go together correctly. I am excited to get the car finished and back on the road!

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Post  Gutterboy on Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:17 pm

if i didn't live all away across the continent i think i would have done the same and leave it to someone who's done it despite losing the learning experience and ownership of creating such a beast.

My canadian locale forces me jump in on the learning experience on this endeavour!

One thing's for sure i'd be screwed without this forum.

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Post  the951racer on Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:44 pm

Funny that your doing the same thing I am. Got about as far as you are maybe a little farther and now TPC is finishing my swap. My baby girl coming along slowed me down in a big way...lol

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Post  87-944S on Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:40 pm

Congrats on the baby girl! She will cost way more than the conversion, speaking from experience! Very Happy I have seen TPC's work in person, and own a fair amount of parts from Admin, you are in the best of hands! Name that car after your little girl! Very Happy 
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