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For the benefit of 944Hybrids users there are two search functions available for you to use.
The purpose of this sticky is to explain the "Advanced Search" function because it is much more powerful and is the best choice when researching information.
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Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
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Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
Hello,
This is my first post, I'm looking for some help while I try to decide to take the plunge on a V8 944.
I saw a forum members car at Barber Motorsports Park a few weeks back and was blown away. The 944 is such a nice balanced car and with reliable V8 power it must be a blast! Seeing that car got the gears turning in my head. I've owned two 944's in the past; one NA and one 951. I loved them both but ultimately went looking for more. Now that I've seen what can be done with an LS1 in a 951 body I think I want to give it a try myself. If I do this, the car would be a track car, not a daily driver.
On to my first question: I've been searching car-part dot com for full LS1 engines with harness, ECM, accessories, etc. and I've found what I think are some good deals like a "take out" with 76k miles for $3800. I've also found a take out with unknown mileage for $2700.00. And finally a take out with 84k miles for $2750. Are these good deals? Would it make the most sense to buy a motor and just run it till it needs a rebuild, or am I better off getting a cheaper high mileage motor with accessories, wiring harness, etc and then refreshing it with rods, pistons, rings, etc. to be sure I have a solid engine. My local machine shop says about $2500 to build a very strong and solid LS1. What have you guys done?
Second question: my current track car - 1990 BMW 325i with a '98 M3 motor had no power brakes for a while and I hated it. I'm thinking I'll want assisted brakes on the 944 Hybrid. How hard is the Hydroboost set up? I've been reading as many threads on here as I can but have not come across too many cars with hydroboost and what it entails.
Thanks in advance for any and all help. With any luck I'll have a LS1/951 in time for spring track season!
Andrew
This is my first post, I'm looking for some help while I try to decide to take the plunge on a V8 944.
I saw a forum members car at Barber Motorsports Park a few weeks back and was blown away. The 944 is such a nice balanced car and with reliable V8 power it must be a blast! Seeing that car got the gears turning in my head. I've owned two 944's in the past; one NA and one 951. I loved them both but ultimately went looking for more. Now that I've seen what can be done with an LS1 in a 951 body I think I want to give it a try myself. If I do this, the car would be a track car, not a daily driver.
On to my first question: I've been searching car-part dot com for full LS1 engines with harness, ECM, accessories, etc. and I've found what I think are some good deals like a "take out" with 76k miles for $3800. I've also found a take out with unknown mileage for $2700.00. And finally a take out with 84k miles for $2750. Are these good deals? Would it make the most sense to buy a motor and just run it till it needs a rebuild, or am I better off getting a cheaper high mileage motor with accessories, wiring harness, etc and then refreshing it with rods, pistons, rings, etc. to be sure I have a solid engine. My local machine shop says about $2500 to build a very strong and solid LS1. What have you guys done?
Second question: my current track car - 1990 BMW 325i with a '98 M3 motor had no power brakes for a while and I hated it. I'm thinking I'll want assisted brakes on the 944 Hybrid. How hard is the Hydroboost set up? I've been reading as many threads on here as I can but have not come across too many cars with hydroboost and what it entails.
Thanks in advance for any and all help. With any luck I'll have a LS1/951 in time for spring track season!
Andrew
rooster- Posts : 90
Join date : 2011-11-09
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
Andrew,
I'm guessing that the hybrid at Barber was my car? (Orange 944 with uber wing)!
I bought an LS1 takeout from a 2001 Camaro SS. If you are local to B'ham, try B&D auto salvage, that's where I got mine. I got my takeout, with all accessories for $1,500. I then took it to Speedsouth and had them do the heads, valves and rocker arms. The bottom end was fine, so it was not touched.
I'm guessing that the hybrid at Barber was my car? (Orange 944 with uber wing)!
I bought an LS1 takeout from a 2001 Camaro SS. If you are local to B'ham, try B&D auto salvage, that's where I got mine. I got my takeout, with all accessories for $1,500. I then took it to Speedsouth and had them do the heads, valves and rocker arms. The bottom end was fine, so it was not touched.
Lemming- Posts : 855
Join date : 2011-05-30
Location : B'ham
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
I bought a take out with 60k miles with harness, ecu, all accessories for $2800. The bottom end looked clean when we dropped the pan, and we replaced the timing chain, cam, push rods and valve springs and left the rest of it alone.
I run a Ford Mustang hydroboost and I love it. I wouldn't want to track the car with manual brakes.
I run a Ford Mustang hydroboost and I love it. I wouldn't want to track the car with manual brakes.
docwyte- Posts : 1393
Join date : 2010-07-18
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
@ Lemming - yup that was your car I saw at BMP. Thanks for taking time to chat with me about the swap. I'm jealous, $1500 for a pull out seems like a heck of a deal. I'm in St. Louis and I'm searching bone yards within a few hundred mile radius. I'll call B&D, maybe they ship.
@ Doc - Thanks for the input. I think based on your's and Lemmings reply I'll find the lowest mileage take out I can and then refresh it as needed over the winter months.
I'll research some more on hydroboost, I think that's the way I'll want to go.
Now I need to find a roller 951..........
Thanks for the help guys.
@ Doc - Thanks for the input. I think based on your's and Lemmings reply I'll find the lowest mileage take out I can and then refresh it as needed over the winter months.
I'll research some more on hydroboost, I think that's the way I'll want to go.
Now I need to find a roller 951..........
Thanks for the help guys.
rooster- Posts : 90
Join date : 2011-11-09
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
Hey Andrew. I've gone with a locally rebuilt LS1. I got some of the accessories with it and a tuned ECU but no wiring harness. The shop upgraded the rods and the cam as well as replaced all the bearings, pistons, timing chain, etc. It was $4500 with no core charge.
The plan is to use a BMW hydroboost setup. I'm just starting to pull the old engine so will be seeing how this goes over the coming months. I too am hoping to have things up and running for spring track days up here in Seattle.
Rich
The plan is to use a BMW hydroboost setup. I'm just starting to pull the old engine so will be seeing how this goes over the coming months. I too am hoping to have things up and running for spring track days up here in Seattle.
Rich
Rich L.- Posts : 928
Join date : 2011-05-30
Location : Seattle
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
OK, so I've found plenty of LS1 lift-outs but they are way more money than you guys paid. Especially if it's low miles. L33s on the other hand are downright cheep! It's still aluminum block and heads just 5.3L instead of 5.7L or 315/325hp vs. 350hp of the LS1. As long as I get the proper accessory mounts to match the F-body for alternator and P/S pump and an LS1 or LS6 intake, is there any reason not to go L33? I've been told that a decent cam and some headers on a L33 will give well over 350hp. Anyone care to confirm this?
*I would have posted this in the 4.8 and 5.3 section, but there are no posts there! Should that tell me something....
Thanks,
Andrew
*I would have posted this in the 4.8 and 5.3 section, but there are no posts there! Should that tell me something....
Thanks,
Andrew
rooster- Posts : 90
Join date : 2011-11-09
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
rooster wrote:OK, so I've found plenty of LS1 lift-outs but they are way more money than you guys paid. Especially if it's low miles. L33s on the other hand are downright cheep! It's still aluminum block and heads just 5.3L instead of 5.7L or 315/325hp vs. 350hp of the LS1. As long as I get the proper accessory mounts to match the F-body for alternator and P/S pump and an LS1 or LS6 intake, is there any reason not to go L33? I've been told that a decent cam and some headers on a L33 will give well over 350hp. Anyone care to confirm this?
*I would have posted this in the 4.8 and 5.3 section, but there are no posts there! Should that tell me something....
Thanks,
Andrew
Yes, with the appropriate supporting mods you can get 400hp.
Dawgz83948- Posts : 603
Join date : 2009-06-08
Location : Ca.
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
Check out Xschop's build thread, he built a killer 5.3 conversion!
87-944S- Posts : 744
Join date : 2009-06-10
Location : Maryland
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
The 5.3 can make a lot of power with the proper mods and a good tune. A cam, springs and pushrods are a good starting point. Headers will make a big difference as well.
I just added the 5.3 section about a week ago to help re leave the LS1 area.
I just added the 5.3 section about a week ago to help re leave the LS1 area.
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
What's the power differential between the 5.3 and the 5.7?
docwyte- Posts : 1393
Join date : 2010-07-18
968gene- Posts : 259
Join date : 2009-07-02
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
Power would change based on parts that are chosen, Heads ,cam, intake and other items make the difference.
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
St. Louis? That's where I am too. Well, kind of. I go to school in Rolla. I plan on pulling the trigger on doing my conversion next semester after I work for Christmas break and get some more money. I've been saving for a while.
I managed to find quite a few L33s on carpart, but I haven't had the money to fully do the conversion. My I4 has been causing me some problems recently so I've had to throw some money at that...
What color is your 944, maybe I've seen it around. I live in Chesterfield and got a white one.
I managed to find quite a few L33s on carpart, but I haven't had the money to fully do the conversion. My I4 has been causing me some problems recently so I've had to throw some money at that...
What color is your 944, maybe I've seen it around. I live in Chesterfield and got a white one.
Outofhand- Posts : 20
Join date : 2010-06-26
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
@ Admin - what kinds of mods besides cam/springs/push rods/headers should I consider? Keep in mind that I am not looking to surpass an LS1 in power, I am assuming 350hp at the crank will be enough for a 944 with 255 wide rear tires to try and handle. Also, am I crazy for looking at an L33 when I will have to ultimately buy the LS1/LS6 intake and injectors, re-route the accessories, etc? Will that nickel and dime me to the point where I could have bought a LS1 take-out?
@ Doc, the L33 is rated at 315hp and the LS1 is 350. Not sure about torque differences between the two.
@Outofhand, I actually don't have a 944 right now. I'm doing my research and coming up with a parts list with prices, sources, etc. My brother has a low mile 951 which needs a head gasket, it's been sitting for years. I'm trying to get him to agree to a decent price for the car so I can hopefully get going on the project. Good luck with your conversion!
Thanks for the help guys.
-Andrew
@ Doc, the L33 is rated at 315hp and the LS1 is 350. Not sure about torque differences between the two.
@Outofhand, I actually don't have a 944 right now. I'm doing my research and coming up with a parts list with prices, sources, etc. My brother has a low mile 951 which needs a head gasket, it's been sitting for years. I'm trying to get him to agree to a decent price for the car so I can hopefully get going on the project. Good luck with your conversion!
Thanks for the help guys.
-Andrew
rooster- Posts : 90
Join date : 2011-11-09
Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost
Thanks for answering my brake questions guys.
crowstyle- Posts : 28
Join date : 2015-05-01
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