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Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  gt1scca on Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:42 pm

Here's a "Group-Buy" worth noting:

Stage 8 is now making a locking CV Bolt Kit for the 944 / 968. I got my set from the first round, and they are 12.9 Grade, quality fasteners. Extras are available also.

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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  Bluemach1 on Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:09 am

I have used Stage 8 for headers in the past and they worked great in keeping the bolts from backing out.

Do the CV bolt have a history of backing out? I dont know what grade bolt is stock, but do they have a history of shearing?

The stage 8 locking system is cool but is using them in this application a "must"? Know what I mean?


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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  948 on Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:04 pm

Those are nice....a bit pricey though IMO.

I use a 12.9 grade socket head bolt on my VW's and Porsche's. If these are torqued correctly, in a cross pattern, they won't back-out and they only cost ~$10 for 25!!
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BTW the factory bolts are grade 8.8
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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  944v8inDFW on Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:33 pm

What Paul said Smile RTFM

Not a fan of that type of fastener, last header and trans pan set, I bought from them (Jegs) looked like someone in Vegas made them Smile I have since started using the expanding type ones for headers anyway.

The fundamental problem with them is the type of head, and the fact the head area that is given up, by the slot. If you do use that type of head make sure you have a NEW HIGH QUALITY socket to get to the proper torque. Same goes for socket head, for that matter.

Although cool in the wow factor, over their life if you wrench on the areas they are in much they become no fun real quick. Lost clips excreta, middle of the night.

Tech inspectors like to see safety wire, not stuff that can fly off an axle at high velocity if improperly installed, at 130 mph. Small, yes. Damaging, yes. I am guessing that on the late 944 arms quite a few will be improperly installed, just because of their location.

Personally I would like to see some high grade socket heads drilled for safety wire, done right, offered as a kit. I would buy a set of those for the stage 8 price.

I have never had a stock one back out, break yes. Socket jacked up by previous owner, yes.
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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  robstah on Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:43 pm

Speaking of bolts, I am done with all these allen key style bolts. I was planning on replacing them with regular bolts or maybe even triple square/torx bolts. It's hard to strip the ts/torx bolts compared to these allen key bolts. I am tired of stripping these allen key bolts. What do you guys recommend? The one I am fighting right now is the one of two that are part of the clamp in between the transaxle and torque tube drive shafts. I have yet to get it out via torx bit, jbweld a bit on there, and so on so forth. When I find time, I plan on drilling a slot in it and using a flathead based bit to finally get it out. All I know is that the same spec bolt is NOT going back in. Any recommendations?

EDIT: 948, I saw your mcmaster link. What's the chances of these freezing and then stripping them? I've stripped way too many allen key style bolts to really care for them anymore, but if the 12.9 heat hardened bolts make a difference, I'll roll that way.

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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  87-944S on Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:10 pm

Stock CV joint bolts are triple square, at least mine are! Smile Never had a problem removing them, I just make sure I clean the heads out before I remove or tighten them.
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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  gt1scca on Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:28 pm

Bluemach1 wrote:...but is using them in this application a "must"?
Some of the track guys were complaining of issues with "stock", even safety-wired bolts, and I (along with 100 others) thought the Stage8 bolts would be a valid upgrade.

I realize everyone has opinions, but I didn't know mine would go over like a fart in church.

RTFM.
I have.
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Post  fliermike45 on Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:58 pm

Greg,
However helpfull you try to be there is always someone who will give you a hard time.
I saw this on a regular basis on the MG Swap site, whatever you said, or advice offered there was
always someone ready to put you down.

I and others appreciate what you do for this community, your manual, parts and tech input are really enjoed.

Thank you,
Mike

PS You are still welcome in church.

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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  ghostcloak on Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:39 am

^ +1
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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  Admin on Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:33 am

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It was once said that opinions are like as*holes , everyone has them and a lot of them stink.......... Shocked

I know how you feel!

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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  gt1scca on Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:28 am

I could have taken the "RTFM" too seriously, but...

As far as being given a hard time - I dish it out, and I can take it.
No harm done. I bust my B***s every day to help this Forum and it's members, so I really don't give a cr@p if my opinion means something or not. Trust me, I do not claim to know everything.

Every part or modification has its pros and cons, and the Stage8 fasteners are not immune. If Tech inspectors don't like the clips, safety wire the stock bolts correctly, pass inspection, and go drive the bolts loose. Check and re-torque between sessions if they do in fact work loose.

But by all means, state your opinions.
It's what we're all here for.

944v8inDFW wrote:Personally I would like to see some high grade socket heads drilled for safety wire, done right, offered as a kit. I would buy a set of those for the stage 8 price.
Just to show (again) what kind of guy I am...
These could be developed, no sweat.
Grade 12.9, drilled for safety wire.
How many sets?

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Post  fliermike45 on Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:22 am

One car set for me please Greg.
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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  944v8inDFW on Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:24 pm

One set allens with saftety wire holes for me please!

PM me as i have an idea on the drill angle and location, If you need some to practice I got a few! last set I had done was with EDM but the shop has stopped taking outside work as they have a big contract with the gov mint.
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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  948 on Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:24 pm

Greg, thanks for bringing these to the attention of everyone... Smile
I don't think anyone was giving you a hard time; some of us were however stating hard facts about the shortcomings of this type of fastener, from both an engineering point of view and through personal experience.

IIRC correctly I had to shorten the McMaster bolts for use on the outer drive hubs as they protruded and rubbed slightly on the A-arm casting......measure the stock bolts and source 12.9s of the same length.

Also, I torqued the 12.9 fastener ~ 40 Ft-Lb.

You could buy/make a drill jig or go to an EDM house and have the holes popped.
I am sending you the section on lock wire procedure from the Machinery's Handbook.
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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  gt1scca on Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:15 am

Thanks guys.

I may just be an old Ass. But, I am a stubborn one for sure, and I get things done, eventually (slightly cocky too, but - it takes all kinds, doesn't it?)

I have looked into the issue, even before my purchase. Hard to believe so many have discussed drilled bolts without doing something besides linking to $15 / each Titanium bolts ( Shocked ). Well, here comes Papa's brand new bag...You have enabled me once again.

How about I just consider myself an officer of the PCA ("Porsche Conversionists Association") ?
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Thanks.
Now we have an installation sheet for the kit.

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Re: Stage 8 Locking CV Bolts

Post  944v8inDFW on Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:58 am

Problem with most saftey wire drill jigs as the one posted is they drill at a 90 to the shaft fine for the open head bolts such as the trans side. On the wheel side on the late control arms a angle at 45 would be idea to help get the wire in. Last set i had done EDM they did at 45. 12.5 is hard to drill without a jig and or the right drill bit.
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Already got a handle on it...

Post  gt1scca on Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:24 pm

Local machine shop says "no sweat".
Hand-drilling ain't hap'nin'...
Bits will still wander in a 12.9 bolt clamped in a jig if drilled by hand.

Working smart vs. working hard.
I'll take the first all day long.
Much like a gov-mint contract...

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