HOW TO DO AN ADVANCED SEARCH.

Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:56 pm by Admin


For the benefit of 944Hybrids users there are two search functions available for you to use.
The purpose of this sticky is to explain the "Advanced Search" function because it is much more powerful and is the best choice when researching information.

When you log on to the site a list of options is shown in a line at the top of the page. One option is labelled "Search", use this option (NOT the search box lower down on the right).

After you click on the upper search option, a drop down box appears. At the bottom of this box is a radio button marked "Advanced …

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Questions for the track guys!

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Questions for the track guys!

Post  DJ. on Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:05 am

Just wondering what are you guys using on the track as far as spring rates and what kind of dampeners on these swapped cars?

My 944 will be at the track most of the tme and it will see a few outings here and there on the street.
Vehicle description: 944/l33 swap 375whp 255/40/17 all around and roughly 2650lbs without driver.

Let me know what you guys run and hopefully you can suggest something for me.

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  cjbcpa on Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:27 am

My 951 sees almost 100% track time. I haven't performed my conversion yet, but I don't expect the swap (to an LS) to disturb my existing set up a whole lot. I would think that because the weight differential between the stock and swapped motors isn't all that great, existing, proven setups would still apply.

I use a Bilstein Cup strut up front with 650lb springs and Koni coil-over adjustables in the rear. Personally, I think its wise to retain the torsion bar so I have a 30mm torsion bar and 275lb springs on the Koni's. I also have front and rear M030 sway bars. I don't find this set up to be too harsh except on poorly surfaced pavement (I do drive the car to my mechanic's shop). I've also replaced all the suspension components with aluminum and monoball pieces.

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  DJ. on Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:05 pm

Hey CB thanks for the reply . Spoke to a few guys on rennlist about using 450/700 without torsion bars and they all said that is way too stiff. Now you are using 650 in the front! I'm getting different opinions everywhere that's why I am not too sure what to believe.

I do know that I want to remove the torsion bars 100%.

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  docwyte on Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:09 pm

I disagree completely with whoever told you 450/700 is too stiff.

That's what I'm running in mine, the key is to have the shocks/struts valved properly to the spring rates. I sent my Bilstein Escort Cup shocks/struts back to Bilstein to have them rebuilt/revalved. I gave them the range of spring rates I was going to run and they did a great job.

The ride is very tolerable, I don't feel much difference compared to what I had before. Handling is good, but realize a 450/700# spring rate is still a street/track setup vs a track setup.

If I wasn't driving my car on the street, I'd run at least a 700# front spring with a 800-900# rear spring.

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  DJ. on Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:02 pm

I agree with you Docwyte about having the dampeners valved to accommodate the spring rate and that's exactly what I told them but most recommended 550-650 max in the rear.

Doc what tire size(s) are you running?


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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  DJ. on Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:04 pm

double post.

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  docwyte on Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:12 pm

I run 275-40-17's on all corners, using 17x9 Cup 2 wheels.

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  Rich L. on Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:57 pm

I'm running the "SPEC 944" suspension from Paragon. It's Koni single-adjustable dampers with 450 lb springs up front and 31 mm torsion bars in the back. Rear swaybar is the M030 and front is a monster bar from Weltmeister. This was setup by a race shop along with cage and race seats, etc. all before I did the engine conversion and it's still working great after. This setup is what the local 944 racers call the "hot ticket." The ride is awful on the street but 99% of my miles are on the track. I run 225/45/17 PS2s on the street to/from the track and wet days, 255/40/17 NT-01s on dry track.

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  Lemming on Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:29 pm

Leda's on all corners, torsion bars deleted, 650 spring rate all around, 275's all around.
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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  DJ. on Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:00 pm

Thanks guys!
Everyones set up here is on the total opposite side of the spectrum regarding spring rates !

I just missed out on a barely used set of ledas. Anybody have experience on the track with ground control or GAZ?

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  docwyte on Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:11 pm

Gotta point out that Lemming and Rich's cars are gutted, dedicated track cars. Hence their suspensions being more purpose oriented. My car is a time trial car, it's licensed and I drive it to the track. It has A/C etc. I'm not a fan of GAZ. Ground control is basically konis, so not a whole lot different than the factory M030 stuff

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  DJ. on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:13 pm

Id order new bilstein escort cups but by the time i get them over here its going to cost me over 2500$+ with camber plates.(from canada).

I heard that Gaz are basicly ledas? Techs from leda were hired by gaz when they shut down.

My car is pretty much gutted except for the dash +heater core i retained.

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  money pit 951 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:29 pm

A little late to the party, but thought I'd throw mine out there. Running 245/315 tire stagger and 450/600 springs with JRZ shocks. I find the front grip light under power and might bump up the rear springs to help prevent the weight transfer and I also have plenty of rear tire for traction
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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  docwyte on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:09 am

That's a HUGE stagger on your tires. It's going to introduce a ton of understeer that you're going to have a tough time dialing out with suspension tuning.

You're much better off running wider front tires and narrower rear tires. I run 275's all round for instance. some guy that's not on this site ran 315's all round, but he had a wide body conversion...

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  Slow Motion on Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:14 pm

285 square on 10 works good for me more is better. Wide body kit in and getting ready to try 315/335.

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Re: Questions for the track guys!

Post  mr965 on Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:59 pm

650/800 Moton Club Sports and I love the setup

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