Oil pan with no subframe shims?

I'm working through my engine rebuild, but wondering if there's an oil pan out there that doesn't need subframe shims. Everything I find seems to need them. Just curious as my pan is out and I'd like to remove the shims if possible.
Thanks

By "shims" do you mean the spacers that TPC specifies between the subframe and body. They don't affect the pan to subframe clearance.

Rich

the shims have nothing to do with the oil pan. They are there for hood clearance. They lower the motor assembly so that your hood will shut.

Wow, I really shouldn't be posting anything late at night after spending hours on different head/cam simulation combos on the computer!
Thank you guys for the response. I should have known the answer, but wasn't thinking straight. Since I've already had to bubble the hood for the BBK intake, maybe it's time to fix my roll centers and get the A-arm back to a better angle

well if u got it bubbled just enlarge it a little and put an edelbrock eforce supercharger under the hood. everybody will drool over that.

I modified my crossmember so that i didnt have to shim it. Basically if you find a picture of a 3 piece crossmember I did the same thing to mine, but instead of the less than quality way a certain company made theres (pretty sure only 1 place made them for a 944) I actually had a flat piece welded to the ends where it was cut, then bolted the center to that. This allowed me to make the crossmember a smaller diameter in the center and slightly relocate the mounts for the steering rack. If I was to do it again, i would use a round tube instead of the square tube i used.

Mark

Marky522 wrote:I modified my crossmember so that i didnt have to shim it. Basically if you find a picture of a 3 piece crossmember I did the same thing to mine, but instead of the less than quality way a certain company made theres (pretty sure only 1 place made them for a 944) I actually had a flat piece welded to the ends where it was cut, then bolted the center to that. This allowed me to make the crossmember a smaller diameter in the center and slightly relocate the mounts for the steering rack. If I was to do it again, i would use a round tube instead of the square tube i used.

Mark

Interesting. If you have any pictures that might help. Is the engine able to sit lower or just us an unmodified pan? I'm guessing it's cut between the steering rack mounts or did you relocate those?