HOW TO DO AN ADVANCED SEARCH.

Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:56 pm by Admin


For the benefit of 944Hybrids users there are two search functions available for you to use.
The purpose of this sticky is to explain the "Advanced Search" function because it is much more powerful and is the best choice when researching information.

When you log on to the site a list of options is shown in a line at the top of the page. One option is labelled "Search", use this option (NOT the search box lower down on the right).

After you click on the upper search option, a drop down box appears. At the bottom of this box is a radio button marked "Advanced …

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Post  skywalker01 on Mon May 07, 2012 9:24 am

Final run of the day at WDCR Solo event at FedEx Field. Well on my way to fastest time, but got sideways going through slaloms. Nittos stink....no really! (phew!)

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Post  xschop on Mon May 07, 2012 9:49 am

Acceleration is awesome. BTW what is an "E mod" 944 lol.
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Post  skywalker01 on Mon May 07, 2012 11:01 am

"E" Class is the SCCA classification that the Porsche 944 falls into (weight, wheelbase, etc). Mod is just that, "Modified". I was the only one in my class that ran yesterday - need to get more 944V8s
out there! Took the engine spacers out, so it's back to learning how the car handles again...
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Post  948 on Mon May 07, 2012 6:24 pm

Always a pleasure to watch and hear.
I gotta ask though, when are you going to get some suspension mods on that monster? The set-up you have now is definitely preventing you from using all that power.....
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Post  skywalker01 on Mon May 07, 2012 6:34 pm

Thanks! The suspension setup is definitely going to be a priority! I have replaced the front struts with the Koni coilovers - rear is going to be a little more problematic. I hear I need to replace the entire rear end to really gain anything. There is always the torsion bar and I'm afraid that it's going to be one of those types of deals that you end up having to cut rusted parts (like I had to cut the rear control arms) to be able to get them out. I am open to suggestions.
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Post  948 on Mon May 07, 2012 7:47 pm

Search around on Rennlist, there are quite a few threads on how to set-up the 944 for autox.

For the front I would suggest ~250Lb springs & a 28-30 mm sway bar. For the rear a 28mm solid torsion bar with a 19mm sway bar and some Koni adjustable shocks.
The "rear-end" doesn't need to be totally replaced and, in my opinion, is not that difficult to remove. You will need to figure out what angle to set the arms to once you install new torsion bars and before putting the "rear-end" back into place....James (RobotMachines) has 28mm bars in his car, he might be able to recall the angle...

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Post  skywalker01 on Tue May 08, 2012 5:13 am

Yeah, I have the frontend pretty much upgraded with 250# springs and Koni adjustables - also have M030 swaybars on with solid droplinks (in the rear). The torsion bar seems like a worthwhile upgrade - stay tuned!
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Post  944-LT1 on Tue May 08, 2012 6:23 am

skywalker01 wrote:Took the engine spacers out, so it's back to learning how the car handles again...

HUh? You took out the crossmember spacers? The engine clears the hood? What you say? Laughing


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Post  skywalker01 on Tue May 08, 2012 8:59 am

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HUh? You took out the crossmember spacers? The engine clears the hood? What you say? Laughing

Very Happy I was waiting for someone to catch that! In preparation of a cowl installation (courtesy of 87-944S), I cut the hood reinforcement 'rib' that is above the throttle body. After some aditional adjustment of the intake plumbing, I am able to close the hood (using hood pins to secure the hood).
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Post  xschop on Tue May 08, 2012 10:15 am

O.K. I thought "E" mod stood for Extra cylinders Laughing
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Post  plaight on Tue May 08, 2012 10:50 am

Wouldn't a Torsion bar delete be even easier than dealing with reindexing.

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Post  skywalker01 on Tue May 08, 2012 10:55 am

Plaight - I think you mean a swaybar delete. I don't know, I think I need as much stiffness as possible. I'm only running 250# springs in the front - think I'll take it up to 375#
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Post  plaight on Tue May 08, 2012 11:09 am

No I meant torsion bar delete and run coilovers in the back.

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and a set of polybronze spring plate bearings

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Post  skywalker01 on Tue May 08, 2012 4:01 pm

Holy cow! Those things are the ticket!! Too bad I have to get my wife a living room set before I can ever contemplate getting these! Maybe I have some time since they don't have anything for the early 944 (maybe I'll give them a call). Thanks for the suggestion!!
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Post  plaight on Tue May 08, 2012 7:45 pm

If you do make sure you get the the polybronze spring plate bushings too. Pricey but I hear without them you can get some serious lateral loads on the coilovers which can't be good.

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Post  skywalker01 on Wed May 09, 2012 11:45 am

Rats! They're NOT making any for the early 944s. Looks like I need to upgrade to a newer rear end (not looking forward to that)
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Post  cjbcpa on Wed May 09, 2012 2:27 pm

I know this seems to run against the conventional wisdom, but I would not recommend deleting the torsion bars and just running coil overs. These cars are designed from the ground up/drawing board with the torsion bars taking all (or the vast majority) of the rear suspension load. The shocks in this configuration are functioning strictly as dampers and do not provide chassis support. Accordingly, the shock mounts, as strong as they appear are not designed to be the primary load points of the car.

Granted, they were professionally raced with coil overs (mild spring rates though), but not with the torsion bars completely deleted. Plus, I have it on pretty good authority that there were changes made to the lower shock mounting bolt and banana arm when this configuration was used.

If you delete the torsion bars, even the Racer's Edge lower shock bolt really doesn't do enough (IMO)to address the fact that the lower bolt is now getting hammered with the full load of the suspension. I recommend that you keep the torsion bar and use a higher rate torsion bar (30mm) to achieve the desired setup. Then add a much smaller rate coil-over combination that won't stress the suspension in ways it wasn't designed for.

That said, all my comments come from the perspective of tracking my car, not autocross. Autocross may put just as much of a load on the stress points of the car, but I suspect a failure on the autocross course wouldn't have the same consequences as a failure going through the bus stop at the Glen
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Post  948 on Thu May 10, 2012 7:19 am

cjbcpa wrote: but I would not recommend deleting the torsion bars and just running coil overs. These cars are designed from the ground up/drawing board with the torsion bars taking all (or the vast majority) of the rear suspension load.
I would agree.
Failures at the lower arm mount, on cars which have deleted the T-bars, are not common but it does happen. These failures can be either bolt failure or the aluminum arm boss cracking.....never seen a steel arm failure (does not mean it can't happen though). Racers choose this route because it makes rear suspension set-up changes way way easier; for them the risk is worth it.



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Post  Dawgz83948 on Thu May 10, 2012 11:23 am

Leave the tbars in and add a #300 spring. Thats what I had in my Cab and with the #500 front springs it was perfect. You may look into upgrading your roll bars too, S2 front and turbo rear is cheap and much better than stock early.
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Post  skywalker01 on Fri May 11, 2012 8:28 am

Thanks for the suggestion Dawg - I was thinking about increasing the size of the springs. May even go higher than 300 - I've got the M030 swaybars. Would an "S" susension be adequate? If so, I may have to camp out over at 87-944s's house Very Happy
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Post  RobotMachines on Sat May 12, 2012 5:52 pm

948 wrote:Search around on Rennlist, there are quite a few threads on how to set-up the 944 for autox.

For the front I would suggest ~250Lb springs & a 28-30 mm sway bar. For the rear a 28mm solid torsion bar with a 19mm sway bar and some Koni adjustable shocks.
The "rear-end" doesn't need to be totally replaced and, in my opinion, is not that difficult to remove. You will need to figure out what angle to set the arms to once you install new torsion bars and before putting the "rear-end" back into place....James (RobotMachines) has 28mm bars in his car, he might be able to recall the angle...

The angle? Was pure luck it worked out so well. I just ripped it apart while marking where the old ones used to be with some tape, put in the new bars and bolted it down some notches higher (one... two... three... ?) to lower the rear, and it worked out perfectly... Zen sort of thing... or luck. I bet my 948 would perform quite well on those turns if I installed stronger sway bars and maybe something just a little stringer than 250lb front springs. Sorry, I can't help with the angle Sad

Don't worry about rust stopping you. 944s don't seem to ever have rust but you may find rubber bushings so old that they've fused to bolts and such, and you'll have to use a sawzall to cut them free to drop the torsion tube. Not a big deal, just install some new bolts and better bushings.

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Post  skywalker01 on Sat May 12, 2012 7:27 pm

Thanks for the insight and compliment - you know, I think I'm slowly getting the hang of slinging the car around. I am running with considerably less pressure 26psi all around, less fuel in the tank, and seem to be getting much better times. May still go with the stiffer springs.
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