HOW TO DO AN ADVANCED SEARCH.

Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:56 pm by Admin


For the benefit of 944Hybrids users there are two search functions available for you to use.
The purpose of this sticky is to explain the "Advanced Search" function because it is much more powerful and is the best choice when researching information.

When you log on to the site a list of options is shown in a line at the top of the page. One option is labelled "Search", use this option (NOT the search box lower down on the right).

After you click on the upper search option, a drop down box appears. At the bottom of this box is a radio button marked "Advanced …

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Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  rooster on Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:15 pm

Hello,

This is my first post, I'm looking for some help while I try to decide to take the plunge on a V8 944.

I saw a forum members car at Barber Motorsports Park a few weeks back and was blown away. The 944 is such a nice balanced car and with reliable V8 power it must be a blast! Seeing that car got the gears turning in my head. I've owned two 944's in the past; one NA and one 951. I loved them both but ultimately went looking for more. Now that I've seen what can be done with an LS1 in a 951 body I think I want to give it a try myself. If I do this, the car would be a track car, not a daily driver.

On to my first question: I've been searching car-part dot com for full LS1 engines with harness, ECM, accessories, etc. and I've found what I think are some good deals like a "take out" with 76k miles for $3800. I've also found a take out with unknown mileage for $2700.00. And finally a take out with 84k miles for $2750. Are these good deals? Would it make the most sense to buy a motor and just run it till it needs a rebuild, or am I better off getting a cheaper high mileage motor with accessories, wiring harness, etc and then refreshing it with rods, pistons, rings, etc. to be sure I have a solid engine. My local machine shop says about $2500 to build a very strong and solid LS1. What have you guys done?

Second question: my current track car - 1990 BMW 325i with a '98 M3 motor had no power brakes for a while and I hated it. I'm thinking I'll want assisted brakes on the 944 Hybrid. How hard is the Hydroboost set up? I've been reading as many threads on here as I can but have not come across too many cars with hydroboost and what it entails.

Thanks in advance for any and all help. With any luck I'll have a LS1/951 in time for spring track season!

Andrew

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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  Lemming on Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:45 am

Andrew,

I'm guessing that the hybrid at Barber was my car? (Orange 944 with uber wing)!

I bought an LS1 takeout from a 2001 Camaro SS. If you are local to B'ham, try B&D auto salvage, that's where I got mine. I got my takeout, with all accessories for $1,500. I then took it to Speedsouth and had them do the heads, valves and rocker arms. The bottom end was fine, so it was not touched.
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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  docwyte on Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:07 pm

I bought a take out with 60k miles with harness, ecu, all accessories for $2800. The bottom end looked clean when we dropped the pan, and we replaced the timing chain, cam, push rods and valve springs and left the rest of it alone.

I run a Ford Mustang hydroboost and I love it. I wouldn't want to track the car with manual brakes.

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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  rooster on Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:05 pm

@ Lemming - yup that was your car I saw at BMP. Thanks for taking time to chat with me about the swap. I'm jealous, $1500 for a pull out seems like a heck of a deal. I'm in St. Louis and I'm searching bone yards within a few hundred mile radius. I'll call B&D, maybe they ship.

@ Doc - Thanks for the input. I think based on your's and Lemmings reply I'll find the lowest mileage take out I can and then refresh it as needed over the winter months.

I'll research some more on hydroboost, I think that's the way I'll want to go.

Now I need to find a roller 951..........

Thanks for the help guys.

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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  Rich L. on Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:28 pm

Hey Andrew. I've gone with a locally rebuilt LS1. I got some of the accessories with it and a tuned ECU but no wiring harness. The shop upgraded the rods and the cam as well as replaced all the bearings, pistons, timing chain, etc. It was $4500 with no core charge.

The plan is to use a BMW hydroboost setup. I'm just starting to pull the old engine so will be seeing how this goes over the coming months. I too am hoping to have things up and running for spring track days up here in Seattle.

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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  rooster on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:32 pm

OK, so I've found plenty of LS1 lift-outs but they are way more money than you guys paid. Especially if it's low miles. L33s on the other hand are downright cheep! It's still aluminum block and heads just 5.3L instead of 5.7L or 315/325hp vs. 350hp of the LS1. As long as I get the proper accessory mounts to match the F-body for alternator and P/S pump and an LS1 or LS6 intake, is there any reason not to go L33? I've been told that a decent cam and some headers on a L33 will give well over 350hp. Anyone care to confirm this?
*I would have posted this in the 4.8 and 5.3 section, but there are no posts there! Should that tell me something....

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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  Dawgz83948 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:40 pm

rooster wrote:OK, so I've found plenty of LS1 lift-outs but they are way more money than you guys paid. Especially if it's low miles. L33s on the other hand are downright cheep! It's still aluminum block and heads just 5.3L instead of 5.7L or 315/325hp vs. 350hp of the LS1. As long as I get the proper accessory mounts to match the F-body for alternator and P/S pump and an LS1 or LS6 intake, is there any reason not to go L33? I've been told that a decent cam and some headers on a L33 will give well over 350hp. Anyone care to confirm this?
*I would have posted this in the 4.8 and 5.3 section, but there are no posts there! Should that tell me something....

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Andrew

Yes, with the appropriate supporting mods you can get 400hp.
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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  87-944S on Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:16 pm

Check out Xschop's build thread, he built a killer 5.3 conversion!
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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  Admin on Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:11 pm

The 5.3 can make a lot of power with the proper mods and a good tune. A cam, springs and pushrods are a good starting point. Headers will make a big difference as well.
I just added the 5.3 section about a week ago to help re leave the LS1 area.

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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  docwyte on Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:37 am

What's the power differential between the 5.3 and the 5.7?

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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  968gene on Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:56 pm

you have a PM
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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  Admin on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:53 pm

Power would change based on parts that are chosen, Heads ,cam, intake and other items make the difference.

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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  Outofhand on Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:52 am

St. Louis? That's where I am too. Well, kind of. I go to school in Rolla. I plan on pulling the trigger on doing my conversion next semester after I work for Christmas break and get some more money. I've been saving for a while.

I managed to find quite a few L33s on carpart, but I haven't had the money to fully do the conversion. My I4 has been causing me some problems recently so I've had to throw some money at that...

What color is your 944, maybe I've seen it around. I live in Chesterfield and got a white one.

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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  rooster on Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:03 am

@ Admin - what kinds of mods besides cam/springs/push rods/headers should I consider? Keep in mind that I am not looking to surpass an LS1 in power, I am assuming 350hp at the crank will be enough for a 944 with 255 wide rear tires to try and handle. Also, am I crazy for looking at an L33 when I will have to ultimately buy the LS1/LS6 intake and injectors, re-route the accessories, etc? Will that nickel and dime me to the point where I could have bought a LS1 take-out?

@ Doc, the L33 is rated at 315hp and the LS1 is 350. Not sure about torque differences between the two.

@Outofhand, I actually don't have a 944 right now. I'm doing my research and coming up with a parts list with prices, sources, etc. My brother has a low mile 951 which needs a head gasket, it's been sitting for years. I'm trying to get him to agree to a decent price for the car so I can hopefully get going on the project. Good luck with your conversion!

Thanks for the help guys.

-Andrew




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Re: Noob needs some help with LS1 options and Hydroboost

Post  crowstyle on Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:32 pm

Thanks for answering my brake questions guys.

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