HOW TO DO AN ADVANCED SEARCH.

Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:56 pm by Admin


For the benefit of 944Hybrids users there are two search functions available for you to use.
The purpose of this sticky is to explain the "Advanced Search" function because it is much more powerful and is the best choice when researching information.

When you log on to the site a list of options is shown in a line at the top of the page. One option is labelled "Search", use this option (NOT the search box lower down on the right).

After you click on the upper search option, a drop down box appears. At the bottom of this box is a radio button marked "Advanced …

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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by Dawgz83948 on Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:36 pm

944 manual racks were only standard in 1983. So no there are not a lot of them out there. Since POrsche discontinued them, they are down right scarce.
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by xschop on Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:52 pm

scarce is the word and when the pinion wears out good luck finding another one.....
Here's a better look at the Toyota rack and pinion. it takes an M14x 1.5 just like the 944 power steering tie rods that i sourced inexpensive Moog rods for.....
http://www.rackandpinionwhse.com/servlet/the-3321/RACK-%26-PINION,-1980-dsh-1982/Detail
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by 962porsche on Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:59 pm

i worked for porsche car NA for years ! they were offered thru all most the hole 944 production run . 83 was the only year that porsche had a manual rack . they were standered for the years 83 to 85.5 if you wanted a power rack you had to order it from 85.5 on if you wanted a manual rack then you had to order that with the power rack as standered . as for them being scarce in a ward NO there are so many out there you just are not looking in the right place . i just did a car-parts search and found 38 just in the vt.nh.me.ma.ri. and ct. they go for about 100 dollars . as for them needing worm gears . in most cases no but if you do need one there 27 dollars from vw . as you know the 944 uses most of its parts from vw . vw had porsche design the 944 as a vw . becouse it was going to be sold under the vw name . vw backed out of the deal and thats when porsche picked it up and named it as the 944 and sold it as a porsche . so in short look under car-parts.com you will see just how many there are .
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by docwyte on Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:47 pm

No reason to get a manual rack. The power rack is so much nicer and if you plan on running any decent sized front race tire, you're gonna need it.

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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by xschop on Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:56 pm

I wouldn't dare go manual with these 18's on a daily driver. Did you guys see where the Tercel rack ratio is right between the 944 manual rack and power rack ratio? I have the tercel rack pic next to the 944 manual rack pic and the Tercel rack input shaft looks to be more angled away for the steering shaft to get more header clearance...JAT
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by 962porsche on Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:31 pm

its not rolling radius that makes a tire hard to turn its width .the taller or more rolling radius there is the easier a tire will turn . becouse you can only get at best a 8.5 inch wide tire in the front a manual rack works fine . i have 7 944's 5 of them are race only cars . you may fit a 9 inch tire in the front but they hit at full lock . also in racing, the class you race in tells you the biggest wheel / tire size you can run . in the class that the 944 v8 runs in the biggest tire width is a 8x16 inch front and a 10x16 rear with a full slick .
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by xschop on Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:41 pm

To each his own. It feels like my aftermarket steering wheel is going to bend when the engine is off and I turn the steering wheel. While I have you on the line, will the manual steering rack bushings fit the power rack bushings and vice versa? Reason is I think I found some polyurethane bushings from a jetta that would fit the manual rack.
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by 962porsche on Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:42 pm

yes the bushing are the same . i use the delrin bushings or solid aluminum ones . delrin is a smaller link polymer making it a denser bushing . but yes the vw bushings do work but you will have to trim the back just a little as there mounting is not the same . the 944 is flat on the back were the vw has a bump were it sits into a recess on the engine cradle .
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by xschop on Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:47 am

That's good news about the bushings. I'm doing 100% poly on everything so the vibes are kept to a minimum, yet having firmer suspension/steering. I have machined Delrin many times, it has it's place for sure. I made a set of the strut top rebound dampers out of it and am about to do it again as I have found another V8 swap problem....collapsed strut top bushings
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by docwyte on Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:21 am

I easily fit a 9" wide wheel in the front and run a 275-40-17 tire. I don't want to try to turn that without power steering.

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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by 962porsche on Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:25 pm

they turn ok with a full slick . a car tire thats rolling is ez to turn . parallel parking any car with out power steering is just a little harder . adding an inch width to a tire is not all that much and you can't tell thats its any harder . there is a reason why most of us remove the power racks for racing. but its very plain that by saying that its harder to steer once moving a 944 with out power steering than with a power rack you just have never driven the 944 with and with out a power steering . so i will keep removing the over boosted power racks that are made for a front drive car and sell then to the people with tooth pick arms .
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by docwyte on Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:28 pm

Actually I have it was horrible. And this was a 951 with street tires that were nowhere near as wide as my race tires.

Not for me and I'd never recommend it. I don't feel the rack is overboosted at all.

Oh, btw, I'm 6' 200lbs with no toothpick arms.

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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by Porch on Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:06 pm

Removing the p/s on these cars also means no hydroboost.
Someone on the forums (i think it was TonyG) found that his car with powersteering was consistently a full second faster on lap times than the same car without.

Still, I can understand removing the power steering if you're a lousy mechanic who can't understand a simple hydraulic system. There's simply no other explanation! Razz
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by 962porsche on Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:28 pm

if any one tells you that its faster with power steering ???? O please !!!!!!!!!!!!! over 30 years of racing under my belt that would be one of the biggest racers tails i think i ever hear . i like people using power steering it makes my shop money . i get to repair the racks ,pumps and leaks . i also like that it takes power away for the motor and you lose road feal i will just keep taking the trophys home . we build about 3 944 spec and 44 cup cars a year for our customers 2/3rds of the field remove the power racks or removes the pumps from the cars that have power racks . why? well there are 4 reasons ! but its a big plus for me when you guys love your power racks . the simple fact is that the ratio is not the same as the power racks ratio so in fact they are about the same force to turn the wheel lock to lock . so if any tells you that they are turning a faster lap on a road racing course with or with out power steering . i just can't get over that one its to good ! LOL ???? there should not be a need for that much steering input . as a race instructor i would have my student pull in for more class room time to find out just why he is turning the wheel so much .


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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by docwyte on Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:38 pm

The fact is I do just fine with my power steering. I can put the car exactly where I want to, it's certainly not costing me any time.

With the LS1 it also allows me to run hydro boosted brakes, and there's no way I'm running manual brakes.

There's always a first time, but I've never had a PS component fail on me and since my LS car has new rack and PS pump, there really isn't anything to fail in the near future.

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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by 962porsche on Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:19 pm

i at no time ever stated that you should remove the power rack from your car . its all about what the driver likes . what i wanted to know was why were people looking to use a rack from an other car make ?? that was still never really answered . is the porsche power rack in the way of the oil pan ????? becouse the manual rack sits at the same hight as the cross member . all this seams to be doing is getting people up set with me . like the 2 foot tall 600 lbs guy with out tooth pick arms and the guy that has a friend that that knows a guy that now turns - lap times with a simple power steering system in his car . but only knows that if you remove the power steering from a car it has to be becouse it leaks .
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by rdanford on Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:08 pm

I am looking forward to manual rack and power brakes for my LS1 swap...I will be using ABS Electric Inc power brake kit and will not have to worry about leaks anymore Very Happy
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by 962porsche on Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:36 pm

this post is just getting to funny LOL . i like my twin brake masters with bias ajuster . manual steering and slick canilever tires running on 8.5 front 3 piece fuch rims . if my 962 runs twin masters with no power steering on a 10 inch width front tire . putting out twice the power of my 944 v8 .and you all think the little 944 is hard to turn ? its just to funny .


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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by docwyte on Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:52 pm

Isn't that electrical boosted master cylinder $1000? I looked into it before doing the hydroboost setup and it was very attractive, but I was put off by the price.

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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by rdanford on Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:59 pm

It is a bit of $$ but with no AC, extra PS lines/parts and motor mods it fits perfectly in the budget. After talking to the guys running it, I was sold on it.
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by Arthropraxis on Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:53 pm

Any time someone starts talking about manual steering/brakes vs power it turns out like this. It is like talking about politics and religion.
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by docwyte on Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:50 pm

No AC? Where we live? You planning on parking the car from mid June till October?

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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by rdanford on Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:05 am

I've never run AC in my car or any other car I've owned....windows open and top off...My wife new 4Runner has AC Wink
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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by docwyte on Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:07 am

In contrast I've always run AC in my cars except when I lived in San Diego where it's just not needed.

I especially run the AC here where temps routinely hit 100+. No way I'm driving the car to the track or especially back home after a hard, sweaty day and not having working AC.

It doesn't sap any power when I'm on track it doesn't really weigh that much. In your case where you're not building a track car, weight doesn't matter at all.

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Re: Question about the manual rack

Post by rdanford on Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:15 am

I understand your points Josh and have thought about AC, but I've done without and I've loved the car during the summer months.

No, I'm not concerned about weight as it will be a street car 95% of the time...I like the simplicity though too.

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