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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  FerociousGTO on Tue May 01, 2012 9:45 am

XxCrackerxX wrote:is there any difference between the series III and II other than aluminum intake man. larger TB and larger intake and exhaust ports? I ended up with a series II. and I had to park the 944, motor is going out Sad please get those adapter plates/kits


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The L32 is a supercharged Series III. Introduced in 2004, the main differences between the L67 and the L32 is the L32's electronic throttle control, slightly improved cylinder head design, and updated Eaton supercharger, the Generation 5 M90. Power output is up to 260 hp (194 kW) in the Grand Prix GTP.

As with the L67, premium fuel (91 octane or higher) is required. The use of regular or lower-octane fuel can and does cause detonation that eventually leads to engine damage and failure.

Make sure you change the Intake Manifold gasket. Don't use the cheap ones from your local auto shop. Get the GM OEM replacement which I believe is now aluminum. This is the biggest issue with these engines failures (Series 2).
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Also you can use the supercharger from the Series 3 (Eaton 5 Gen SC) on the Series 2 SC engine (replacing the Eaton 3 Gen SC). There is a bunch of aftermarket support.

I already have an L67 in my Fiero. These engines are better then the V8 on the drag strips. Bunch of youtube videos.

Can't wait for the 944 kit to mount this.

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  evil on Tue May 01, 2012 10:58 am

LIM gasket failure is common on the S3 NA motor aswell. There is an updated version for it and it is TONS beefier. With the motor in the car this is a half day job just taking your time and super simple to do. I would do one for any 3800 motor I was swapping in. NAPA has all the parts in stock. This is a ~$250 job once you get all the gaskets and fluids.

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  XxCrackerxX on Tue May 01, 2012 8:21 pm

I'm lost.... were did replacing the intake man. gasket on the series II/III come from?

I am more concerned on why TPC Specifically says installs S3 is there some major factor why S3 and not the S2. I read that the S3 only has 1 port for fuel, no return line...

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news on 3800 kit!

Post  XxCrackerxX on Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:13 pm

any news on the gm adapter plates?? its summer time, Time to take that top OFF!!!

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  speedracing944 on Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:30 pm

turbobob924 wrote:cool discussions and thoughts.

I will have to post some video w sound of my car once Im done rebuilding the motor.
As for torque and turbo spool. Just ask speedy about torque when I took him for a ride in my car a couple years ago. At 2500 rpm it was already over 600 at the wheels.

My new setup with 3.8 vs 4.2 buick v6 will be setup to move the torque and power further up the rpm range with higher flowing heads and smaller turbo....

Weather is still crappy hear, itching to get working and driving again!

I still talk about that experience to this day. I told the story just last week to one of our finance guys. He is very conservative but was laughing like mad.

Speedy:)

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  Vorsche944 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:29 pm

Quick answer on the Series II vs the Series III.

The Series III has the upgraded internal for the super charger making it more robust a platform for turbos. The series II had two versions of the internals, NA and Super charged.

Other than that, the Series II will work just as well.


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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  tntocco on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:20 pm

all this talk of the sc motor what about the n/a 3800. are these the same blocks. also are the adapter kits available yet? i could get one of these at the local yard for 100 bucks with the wiring and computer? and they are everywhere lol.

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  xschop on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:31 pm

I still have yet to locate a bellhousing from an s-10 4 cylinder with the 4l60e auto. The BH from that trans is removable and an adapter can be designed for the 3800 swap. Problem is GM wants $500 for a replacement BH and the junkers around here are out.
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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  Outofhand on Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:55 pm

Xschop,
There were a few listed in the St. Louis area on car-part, but they did not specify which transmission is mated too.

If you can find one, I can pick it up and ship it to ya for whatever the costs are once I get my new rubber and have my car moving again.

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  xschop on Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:52 pm

If someone sends one I'll make an adapter and pilot bearing adapter if needed. I will need the pilot bearing to block face dimension as well to know how thick the adapter will have to be.

The BH unbolts from the auto tranny. The 95 Camaro clutch and TOB should fit....

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Looks like the 98-02 V6 Camaro auto BH will work too Very Happy

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  Outofhand on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:13 am

I can play guinea pig after my tires arrive from Tirerack. PM me and we can work out the details.

I'm looking at doing a swap fairly soon and the v6 swap appeals more to me than the V8 since I have a NA and the gearing will be better for my transmission.

Still trying to find a place/friend that can help with header fabrication but I'm thinking most of the swap can be doable if I can locate the right knowledge. Smile

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  xschop on Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:27 am

A 3800 with a front mount Turbo/s would fit the 944 nicely. I have the large Billet plate on hand to do the adapter, just have not found a guinea to calculate depth as I figure it will be inset 1/2" or so.

I've read that the later 3800 blocks are shorter decks, but don't know if that would make a difference in hood closing as the front 2 cyls are missing anyway. Either way, I build the plate.
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s-10 4 cylinder with the 4l60e

Post  XxCrackerxX on Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:06 am

any specific year for this s-10? From what I know 4l60e is from 93-? looks like I may swing by both U-pull its!

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  onyx_riddle on Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:01 pm

I know this is my first post and it's a little bit needy but I would personally love to see more info on this. I've got a 944 that i don't want to sink a lot of cash in to but it's overall a good car for 200-250 hp. I can have tons of fun with 150hp so I don't have any need in an ls or lx series motor. at least, not for this particular project. I want this to be my daily driver.

the 3800 would be PERFECT!

I will be checking back very often to see if there's any update!

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Hi everyone again, long time no post..

Post  turbobob924 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:52 pm

Hey guys, I've been off line doing the relocation thing.

I'm now in beautiful Boise ID and love the area and weather!

I had all my stuff in storage and finally got a everything moved here.

Time to start putting everything back together again, this time I plan on taking move pictures and documenting better.

First and foremost is my totally new custom hiring harness for the Buick beast.

Best regards,

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have a 3800 olds what is the update on adaptor plate for tren

Post  pleasehelp944 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:26 pm

turbobob924 wrote:Hey guys, I've been off line doing the relocation thing.

I'm now in beautiful Boise ID and love the area and weather!

I had all my stuff in storage and finally got a everything moved here.

Time to start putting everything back together again, this time I plan on taking move pictures and documenting better.

First and foremost is my totally new custom hiring harness for the Buick beast.

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update on the 3800 adapter

Post  XxCrackerxX on Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:23 pm

update would be nice, what are we looking at before you release a kit?

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3800 Kit..?

Post  n2mprtz on Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:04 pm

I'm interested in this! cyclops Focused! A detailed updated/timeline on kit release ..?

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Post  XxCrackerxX on Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:14 am

ok so I came across a couple of questions when i ran through the swap of the 3800. my 944 has a manual rack what would i do with the power steering, is there a bypass kit out there? and I dont think its worth the time to retro fit the ac system, gut it? bypass kit for the compressor? oh and does the engine computer (DEE) control anything like the tach or anything else, will it need to remain or can it be completely pulled and replaced with 3800's ecm. Ill start with those till i can remember more.

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3800 kit

Post  mang_dan on Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:23 am

Any news on when a 3800 kit will be available?
Or where I can get all of the parts needed to do a 3800 swap?

I have a '83 NA that Im ready to go with....

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V6 update..?

Post  n2mprtz on Fri May 10, 2013 8:05 pm

Any possibility of kit being available soon..?

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  maareeo on Wed May 15, 2013 9:48 pm

n2mprtz wrote:Any possibility of kit being available soon..?

hello guys, im new here ,but I did a 3800 v6 swap into my 944 3years ago, I was able to take a trial run , but wasn't happy with a couple of details, so I added the super charger set up from the 3800 as well and like it a lot better, I have answers to questions, the hardest part is the drivers side exhaust manifold, and getting steering rack to clear. basically I did the same thing as turbo bob with mounts but I modified oil pan to fit like a ls 1 oil pan. lower cross member 1/2 in ch and raise mounts 1/2 inch ,steering colum needs half inch added to reach, mounts are at stock 944 location on crossmember, everything fits under stock hood, im in nyc and could text pictures or vids

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  porschyn on Fri May 24, 2013 7:53 pm

Could you post pictures of your setup? cheers

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  XxCrackerxX on Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:19 am

hows the wiring harness going? i can only imagine how many wires will be eliminated there isnt all that many wires that control the engine but trac control abs and trany stuff. tedious lol

and any updates on a kit?

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Re: GM 3800 V6 swap

Post  Lifted944ss on Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:14 pm

I have a wrecked 2000 gtp daytona and was thinking about swapping the 3800 s.c into my 85 944 is there a kit available

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