HOW TO DO AN ADVANCED SEARCH.

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For the benefit of 944Hybrids users there are two search functions available for you to use.
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Post by fliermike45 on Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:02 pm

Let me know what you find out as I want to add some assistance at the rear along with new shocks.

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Post by robstah on Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:24 pm

How many people here would be interested in a set of coilovers in the 1400-1600 dollar price range? That would include your selection of springs rates and camber plates for the front. I have a company that might be developing some coilovers for me and have done a great job at spec'ing a set for BMW E36s and E46s and the owner has worked for quite a few pro racing teams in his time.

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Re: coil over setup

Post by cfgioja on Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:31 pm

are they going to be 4 corner setup or just front? i am looking at all my options for 4 corner setups/
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Post by robstah on Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:45 pm

Will be all four corners and the rear should have the option of running a helper spring or a spring to delete the torsion bars. I need to research more on the torsion bar delete coil over setups to see if there should be anything else that might be worthwhile to include.

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Re: coil over setup

Post by Porch on Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:42 am

I have to be honest, there are already a few good choices in that price range and i'd be pretty unlikely to try out an "unknown" brand name. If you could get them sub-$1000 there would probably be a market. Otherwise there's already Bilstein and Koni in that price range, they'd be pretty hard to beat.
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Re: coil over setup

Post by docwyte on Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:43 am

Is it Vorshlag? If so, they're a very reputable company...

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Re: coil over setup

Post by robstah on Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:49 pm

Porch, can you send me some links to these coilovers you speak of?

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Re: coil over setup

Post by Porch on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:34 am

Ground control has the Koni's (and so does paragon products), lindsey sells the bilstein escort cups: http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944SUSESCORT.html
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Re: coil over setup

Post by Bluemach1 on Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:24 pm

If I recall correctly, the escort cup rears are offset so that you do not have to run the extension posts. Those always bothered me. I am sure they are just fine, but just dont look right structurally.




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Re: coil over setup

Post by Porch on Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:09 pm

It looks like you're right, Bluemach1.
The bilstein setup is what TonyG runs on his car. They seem to be a pretty solid setup. I completely understand there are other brands out there that have great success stories, though. As i mentioned earlier i'm probably going to pick up the KW's when money allows (years from now, lol).
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Post by Bluemach1 on Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:40 pm

I hear you. KW is just way out of my league. I am spending a small fortune on this car as it is and I would probably opt for KW if I was going to seriously track it but the other options listed I think are excellent for the backroads. I had originally considered the escort cups but have been looking at Ground Control with Koni's because these guys are right in my backyard and can help me set the car up right.

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Post by Porch on Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:40 am

Oh yeah, i'm really happy with my Koni setup (basically like the Ground Control setup, but i used torsion bars instead of coilovers). It's just that the grass is always greener, ya know? Very Happy
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Re: coil over setup

Post by 962porsche on Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:35 pm

my opinion on suspension is just about any thing is good if the dampeners (struts & shocks) are valved to the spring rates your using and there rebuildable . i tend to go more for konis becouse of the turn around time for there rebuilds . i had KWs years ago but the chrome was crap and started to peal after about a year .
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Re: coil over setup

Post by robstah on Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:22 am

Porch, that Bilstein Escort Cup kit starts at $1699. Add $416 for the camber plates. I don't see how this is close to $1200-1400 for the same setup.

Docwyte, no. It's not Vorshlag. It's a company that sells turbo and coilover kits to E36 BMWs. I'll let you guys research it if you want, but I consider everything they do to be proper and they back every bit of it.

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Post by Porch on Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:00 am

You said $1400-1600 originally, now you're saying $1200-1400, that's a difference!

And you're right, i didn't realize the Bilstein setup didn't include camber plates.

Still, we're in the price range where i'd go with what everybody knows works...but that's just me. Don't let me discourage you!

On the other hand, i googled M3 coilover kits and the Moton name came up. If it were them then i'd consider it.
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Post by robstah on Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:13 pm

Opps. Yeah, 1400-1600 for everything. There is no real set price as of price now, so it's hard to say.

As for Motons, if you can get Motons for 1400-1600, then buy as many sets as possible. Motons are normally in the 4000 and up range.

Also, what people find to be tried and true is defined by the companies who make these packages. The E36 kit that is out is fantastic for both street and track. It's a marriage of the two and there's very little compromise when it comes to his kit. It's an amazing kit and I have no doubt that it will compete with the higher level, more expensive kits, but for far less money.

As mentioned, I was throwing information out to see if I could strike any interest. Right now, it's still under development, and there is no doubt that I will be running a set of these on my car.

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Post by Porch on Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:36 pm

I guess it's just hard to say without knowing who we're talking about here.
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Re: coil over setup

Post by docwyte on Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:49 pm

What's the secret about who makes the kit?

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Re: coil over setup

Post by robstah on Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:59 pm

No secret. It's TRM.

www.racersmarket.net


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Post by cfgioja on Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:01 pm

when will this be available do you know? Looking at getting a setup by the end of winter.

So far I has to different places I am looking at, Lindsey and Ground control. Its been kinda hard to get much information from ground control so far.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=762/CA=219
http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944SUSESCORT.html

what does the different valving doing?
there is alot of information to consider when purchasing this stuff.
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Post by Arthropraxis on Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:17 pm

Different valving makes the rebound/compression slower or faster. I would guess those are double adjustable compression and rebound? Firmer rebound for the track since it is smooth, faster for a bumpy street so they don't pack down.
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Post by robstah on Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:27 pm

From the sound of the setup with the Bilsteins, I don't think they are adjustable. But then again, Bilsteins are fantastic when implemented correctly. I prefer Bilsteins over Koni any day. If there were a cheap setup of Bilstein Sport and H&R Sport springs for our cars, I would be all over them.

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Post by Arthropraxis on Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:38 pm

Could you not do the Paragon adjustable ride height conversion kit, bilstein sport inserts with H&R springs? For the price of that kit it better have some adjustment.
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Post by robstah on Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:33 pm

Why do you think they sell two different valvings? The only thing adjustable on those are height. I keep telling people that 1400-1600 for SA (adjusts both at the same time) full coilovers with camber plates and free selection of spring rates is a steal. It's a steal in the BMW market and it's a highway robbery with Porsche.

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Post by cfgioja on Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:10 pm

I understand what you are saying robstah. My question for you, was when will this set be out of development and for sale? I don't want to wait until next summer for them. I would like to get it all together this winter.


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